# of Autos and Semi Autos
- Thread starter Raneman
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You sir are completely missing the point. It is a about general gameplay improvements for all by reducing the numbers of semis and autos. To create more firefights and cautiously moving squads.
PS: Any half-decent player can get into top 5 as bolt so please stop this arrogant way and try to read and understand before posting.
Thank you
Even though I agree with some of the posts here,this is not WW1.Stalingrad had close-quarters battles and both sides actually had lots of automatic guns supplied to them.
Besides,everyone doesn't enjoy playing bolt action all the time.Maybe lots of people enjoy playing it MOST of the time,but the game gets plain that way.What do you want Tripwire to do,remove all guns except Mosin Nagant and Kar98k?I'll say it again,this game is about the second world war,not the first.
The last patch did great imo.The current semi auto/Auto weapons distribution is good.Also,MGs are already weak,don't count them as "autos".A regular rifleman can easily take an MG out.
Besides,everyone doesn't enjoy playing bolt action all the time.Maybe lots of people enjoy playing it MOST of the time,but the game gets plain that way.What do you want Tripwire to do,remove all guns except Mosin Nagant and Kar98k?I'll say it again,this game is about the second world war,not the first.
The last patch did great imo.The current semi auto/Auto weapons distribution is good.Also,MGs are already weak,don't count them as "autos".A regular rifleman can easily take an MG out.
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Making SL headcount depend of people signed up would help a lot. Or maybe even forcing people to fill full squads as they come.. I.e. no picking second tokarev until 1st squad has all slots taken. Latter can be annoying so maybe a server option, default off..
This is set when the map is made. Ogledow for example will have one SL, one MG, one Marksman, two AT rifles, and all the rest bolt action rifles, plus a tank squad. The only reason there are so many SLs and other roles in the stock maps is because Tripwire's designers wanted them.
Easily remedied.
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This could make for a really fun map premise: The only role available is rifleman, and then you have a MG spawned once at the start. The team would really have to work together to protect it and pick it up when the first gunner dies and drops it.
I'm not sure this point makes a lot of sense when I think about it. A certain number of auto and semi-auto weapons, which it is also being argued are more deadly in RO2 than in RO1, especially at realistic ranges, will require of anyone who wants to survive the adventure, regardless of the weapon they are carrying, to be more cautious when moving around, not less. I will grant that if you have an auto or semi-auto in your hand you will be more confident about unexpected enemy encounters (ie when you both see each other), but you will not be better against enemies that you don't see --nobody will; and only caution will offer chances at survival against them.
And in RO2, there's a lot of that type of enemy because the maps are full of useable cover and numerous routes of approach. More bolt-actions would mean fewer bullets flying and more care to line up good shots and so it would be that much safer to actually run out in the open without regard to sound tactics.
--As an aside, but still to the point, one difference in RO1, with no mantling mechanic, there was a lot of predictability in where people would move around on maps, so that also quite probably contributed to the cautious pace of the game regardless of weapon loadouts.
But, I wanted to say that an enemy with a bolt has slower rate of fire and has to take care to make his shots count so you have a better chance getting around while in his sights. Enemy with an auto or semi-auto can more effectively than the bolt take you out (and sometimes even a too-tightly-clustered group of players) using controlled, leading bursts of fire giving you less chance getting around while in his sights (this is why modern combat has ultimately favored the assault rifle).
If more of the latter makes for less caution, then that's the incautious player's fault for not understanding the danger, not the fault of the ratio of weapons.
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great point. i remember stealing the germans command vehicle all the time in darkest hour. we parked it in our spawn so they couldn't use it.
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I do, there are 15 players in the team, and 13 auto / semi-auto slots...
It just encourages people to play auto-semi auto, and i dont think that is right, as i said, RO1 was 70% bolts, here with 2 out of 15 players (if everyobody had taken autos over bolts) playing auto-semi auto we are at 13%...
Add heroes to that and everyone got his SMG / semi auto rifle.
(here you can notice 2 heroes > 1 assault and 1 Elite rifleman)
It just encourages people to play auto-semi auto, and i dont think that is right, as i said, RO1 was 70% bolts, here with 2 out of 15 players (if everyobody had taken autos over bolts) playing auto-semi auto we are at 13%...
Add heroes to that and everyone got his SMG / semi auto rifle.
(here you can notice 2 heroes > 1 assault and 1 Elite rifleman)
The ratios aren't actually correct, people just used rifles in RO:Ost more because automatic weapons were total **** in RO:OST.
the people in that screenshot have made their choice. it wasn't bolt guns. you want to take away the semi's and smg's so they have to play with bolt guns to make you happy. why? just because you use a bolt gun everyone should? this whole argument about too many smg's and semi's make no sense to me.
it is clearly what the majority wants. you don't like the fact, hang on till the ww1 mod comes out. then you'll all be bolt guns.
This is a good point and I'm sure that the mappers who will be creating custom maps will be giving us a wide range of roles from the more rifle centered to ones with lots of assualt weapons.
In the stock maps, I don't really believe there is one set correct number for squad leaders, assault, machine guns etc. I believe the overall average of the maps should perhaps reflect a more realistic loadout and for one map that might be more Russians with assault weapons and on another the Germans have their squads more centered on the machine guns. Others still might be more rifle centered with only the squad leaders with smg's or semi's.
It does seem that there should be one less squad leader overall per side though...