normal maps

[213]

do you think you guys could add normal maps to the player models? they're already incredible, but they could really reach their full potential with normal maps.

 

[Bobdog]

Unsupported by by Unreal Engine 2.

 

[213]

but doesn't splinter cell chaos theory use it? that engine is based on unreal engine 2.

or is it something else that resembles normal map? bump mapping perhaps?

 

[Raj]

do you think you guys could add normal maps to the player models? they're already incredible, but they could really reach their full potential with normal maps.

add maps into player models?

 

[shadowwill]

Also games such as brothers in arms road to hill 30 and earned in blood which run on the unreal engine 2 support refraction on the water surfaces. It also uses soft water effect which is pretty cool for a game that old. Red steel also uses the unreal engine 2 has refraction in it and also i seem to remember some sort of bump map effect, but looked crap, could be due to the wii being crap. Below are some screen shots of red steel which show some nice shading effects.


http://revolutionmedia.ign.com/revo...40/e3-red-steel-screens-20060501034051480.jpg

http://www.ryansgoblog.com/images/red_steel_2.jpg

EDIT : normal mapping and HDR clearly visible in chaos theory and looks really good.

http://gropingtheelephant.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/splinter-cell-chaos-theory-01.jpg

 

[Soanos]

Uhhh... Didn't know TWI is planning a WII version...

 

[213]

soanos, can you explain your comment? it doesn't really follow from the rest the thread. do you mean ww2? that has nothing to do with shader features. shadowwill was using a ww2 game as an example.

shadowill, that does look like normal map, but many have said unreal 2 doesn't support normal mapping. it may simply be bump mapping, which i assume is supported by ue2.

do the devs post here? could we get a confirmation on whether the game uses normal maps or not? and also, how can i make bump maps for the player models. thank you.

 

[thrash242]

Uhhh... Didn't know TWI is planning a WII version...

...because not long after WW2 ended, all surfaces in the universe became flat without bumps or texture, thus not needed normal or bump-maps to realistically render, right?

 

[HobbStweedle]

The post above Soanos talks about the wii. Wii looks like "WII" when all capitalized. It's amazing isnt it. Calm down folks.


And normal maps arent supported by UE2. So no, they wont be added.

 

[Bobdog]

but doesn't splinter cell chaos theory use it? that engine is based on unreal engine 2.

or is it something else that resembles normal map? bump mapping perhaps?

They modified UE2 to support it. KF is running a different modified version of UE2. Could TWI further modify the engine to support it? Yes, but it would be a massive amount of work implement it.

 

[213]

ok. from what i understand, unless this game undergoes a major overhaul, we won't be seeing normal map support.

but i have another question. is it possible to put bump mapping on player models? if so, it is a code or do you have to make a bump mapped texture?

 

[Bobdog]

Also unsupported by UE2.

 

[Yoshiro]

Once again unreal engine 2 does not support it, you would have to code it in, and also do the textures.

 

[213]

how hard is it to, lets say, code in dx9 shader features?

what does it involve?

 

[Soanos]

Trash242 and 213, I meant WWW as in the games console by Nintendo.

213, and how did you derive World War 2? WWII does not equal to WII

Sheesh...

 

[213]

sorry about misunderstanding.

as for bump mapping. when did that first come out? did it come with doom 3? i was almost certain unreal 2 featured an effect very similar to that. these graphics innovations are hard to keep track of if you only play the games.

for example, when i view the bodies of the specimens, sometimes i'll see what looks like glare reflecting off a wet/oily surface(more apparent on the fair skin of the stalkers). i assume this is specular lighting, but it looks too detailed to be. could it be that or something else?

and what files do i edit to give the player models this spectacular feature? i have searched and found possibilities that it might be these: cube mapping, environment mapping. are these the same or mutually exclusive? which gives a better effect?

someone suggested that character models use a lightmap. how can i edit this to make character textures/model lighting interaction look more detailed?

 

[thrash242]

Trash242 and 213, I meant WWW as in the games console by Nintendo.

213, and how did you derive World War 2? WWII does not equal to WII

Sheesh...

You make no sense.

 

[Soanos]

You make no sense.

Okay, big deal, it is a typo, I meant WII. Get the hell over it. What the heck is wrong with you guys?

Seriously, I have gotten tired of people starting to clutch into my typos to make fun out of them.

 

[213]

normal mapping already in engine? just not fully implemented?

http://forums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=508225

AFAIK...

I don't believe that the retail version of the game UT2004 supports the Normal Maps even though the Unreal Engine 2 does have the underlying code for them.
The texture packages look more like tests done by the developers. Chances are they didn't have the code fully tested/integrated with the release of 2k4.

Other games developed on UE2+ such as Tribes:Vengeance actually used the Normal Maps along with additional shaders such as Glow and cool things like Macro Textures for the terrain (which gives awesome looking terrain), which the engine can do but is not "supported" directly in UT2004.
I would expect us to see all of this available in UT2007.

If you check out the specs on Unreal Engine 2, used for UT2004, you will not see Normal or Bump mapping listed in its capabilities.

any coders know how to get it to work? do you need the engine source code?

 

[[TW]schneidzekk]

UE 2.5 is DirectX 8(.1). That means no normal maps.

If a certain game has additional features e.g the bloom effect we added, it is added by the developers of that certain game or by a middle ware sold by a third party.