MP40 isn't OP

[Unus Offa Unus Nex]

Unus, dont bother. It had enough accuracy to do its job up to 150m and be the king of CQC, and the only unreliable part was drum, which could be fixed (by not loading full drum) or replaced with 35 round mag.

Just because it has a high ROF doesn't make it the "king of CQC", other factors come in to play to determine CQC effectiveness, such as how easy the gun is to wield around in close quarter situations amongst other things; hence the importance of a pistol grip & foldable stock, esp. the former.

And I dont like "who has the longest ****" discussions.

 

[Unus Offa Unus Nex]

I highly doubt any other Army equipped entire regiments with SMGs.

No, cause it's a pretty silly thing to do

 

[Westernesse]

Just got my PPSH to 50 yesterday and if I have one complaint about the gun its the single shot fire has pretty crazy recoil. Its easier to kill with MP-40 in short bursts and seems to be more accurate with the first 3 shots than 3 rapid fire shots with the ppsh. MG-34 single shot is a lot better, but that's a different gun type. I guess its useful if your trying to hit heads at 150m +, but otherwise I have better luck using short bursts for smaller distances.

 

[Jammybee]

No, cause it's a pretty silly thing to do

Yeah, who would equip a whole squad with automatic weapons.

 

[wokelly]

I highly doubt any other Army equipped entire regiments with SMGs.

Well the Germans did but it was late war and the units were volkstrum (or volksgrenadiers). Since they received little training they were given as many autos as possible, idea being if they put out enough lead they may hit something.

 

[Stahlgeist]

The mp40 does need a nerf but it has it's flaws too unlike the PPSH the MP40 recoils a lot horizontally making the sight 'shake' which IMO is a lot worse than it kicking up vertically as adjusting for vertical recoil is quite easy.

The MP40 doesn't need a nerf so much as there needs to be fewer of them around than there currently are. If you were to go back in time to Stalingrad, you'd likely see far more Germans carrying PPShs and using them in assaults than you would see them carrying MP-40s. MP-40s, in terms of overall production numbers, were outnumbered nearly 6-to-1 by PPShs, and MP40 distribution was usually delegated mostly to squad leaders and tankers.

What I do think needs changing is the recoil on the PPSh. You can fire accurately in short bursts at multiple ranges, but from what I've read and seen about the weapon, it seems like it should handle under sustained fire at least somewhat better than it does in the game.
The PPSh had the historical advantage in terms of numbers and availability, and of course, the sheer volume of fire you can lay down with the drum magazine. I wish Tripwire had made the drum magazine standard issue (Maybe with the stick magazine as an optional choice/unlock) and had not included the MP40/II, which is a ridiculously hokey attempt at balancing where no balancing is needed.

 

[Vesper11]

Just because it has a high ROF doesn't make it the "king of CQC", other factors come in to play to determine CQC effectiveness, such as how easy the gun is to wield around in close quarter situations amongst other things; hence the importance of a pistol grip & foldable stock, esp. the former.

Oh, the longest **** discussion (it seems its your favorite). I dont have that complex, I'll pass.

Spoiler!

You shoul really stop disproving my every statement you can disprove because its just gay.

Well the Germans did but it was late war and the units were volkstrum (or volksgrenadiers). Since they received little training they were given as many autos as possible, idea being if they put out enough lead they may hit something.

Exactly the reason why soviets issued PPSh to whole regiments. Too bad that its completely opposite in RO2, where PPSh requires training while other guns dont.

 

[Jammybee]

It has less to do with training (most Russian peasants would of handled a BA rifle) and more to do with BA rifles being completely obsolete. The German army steadily withdrew riflemen and assigned to machine gun companies over the course of the war. Supply permitting, they were always dropped in favour of an automatic weapon, the Soviets industry was just in much better shape.

Within a decade of the end of the war, every major combatant had semi/full automatic rifles.

 

[TensaiOni]

Just to add something about PPSh - when they were still using them in the army around here (like 30-40 years ago, 35 stick mags, no fire selector), during your compulsory military service you were supposed to shoot PPSh on a firing range and expected to hit a human sized target from 100m.
It was from prone position, but still, it wasn't anything special to hit a target at 100m.