MP-41, Luger, G43 and MG42
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well, and maybe the PPD etc ?
Sure. Here's a photo from the fighting in the Red October factory, showing a soldier (against the wall, taking aim) with a PPD.
Sure. Here's a photo from the fighting in the Red October factory, showing a soldier (against the wall, taking aim) with a PPD.
then PPD it is !
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Although they are SS troops, the MG42 is an early model: look at the charging handle, which was changed from straight to the one we know from later models. There were ofcourse more differences like a bakelite buttstock and other often minor differences in the barrel, bipod pin , the bipod, feed tray, flash hider, the buffer and the rear and front sights. These were all changed around february to mid 1943
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but technically speaking it could have been there with regular Heer soldiers
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but technically speaking it could have been there with regular Heer soldiers
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Yep, they are SS. That wouldn't be Stalingrad.
However, we have seen documents showing there to have been MG 42s in Stalingrad, and although some may doubt their validity... well, put it this way, they're certainly a lot more believable than the MKb, AVT, MP 40-II, or even a later-model PU. I would really be quite happy to see some maps use MG 42s on lafette mounts - in the LMG role, perhaps not.
The M38 would ideally be for the engineer class. Make them start with rifles and work towards SMGs.
PPD would have to be a hero unlock for rarity, but given the fact most people used it in RO because it was easier to control than the PPSh, it may well be less popular now that the latter is much easier to keep on target. I could see this working.
Luger should straight up replace the C96.
DT could perhaps be a veteran or hero unlock; it shouldn't be too common, but it also isn't really rare since it could be pulled from any wrecked tank.
However, we have seen documents showing there to have been MG 42s in Stalingrad, and although some may doubt their validity... well, put it this way, they're certainly a lot more believable than the MKb, AVT, MP 40-II, or even a later-model PU. I would really be quite happy to see some maps use MG 42s on lafette mounts - in the LMG role, perhaps not.
The M38 would ideally be for the engineer class. Make them start with rifles and work towards SMGs.
PPD would have to be a hero unlock for rarity, but given the fact most people used it in RO because it was easier to control than the PPSh, it may well be less popular now that the latter is much easier to keep on target. I could see this working.
Luger should straight up replace the C96.
DT could perhaps be a veteran or hero unlock; it shouldn't be too common, but it also isn't really rare since it could be pulled from any wrecked tank.
Or not yet as in an LMG role ...
maybe in maps situated later on in the war ?Or make the mauser C96 a Hero unlock ? Eventhough i like the P08 better.
Give me a break this game has the same loadouts for every map does it really matter if they were for the SS or the Wehrmacht? Games are made to be fun. if we would follow the historical realism every second in a game might as well make a book instead of a game. People don't really bother about the historical accuracy in a game when they are playing. The really thing that matters is balance and to have realstic loadouts according to the specific game. It wouldn't be so trustworthy if the germans would have the MG 42. I don't think Tripwire would get sued by an ww 2 historian for not respecting all the realism you intend to respect.
And the unlock system is the most usless thing implemented in such a game. It doesn't work in a game like this. Instead of continuing to made the leveling system more advanced why not make other system like letting mappers decide the loadouts for the maps. Or issuing quantity for classes for the maps they make. Also I saw that not many people bother with the grenades why didn't they add for germans the: Geballte Ladung as trowable grenade instead of the Hafthohlladung magnetic one. Which can be implemented as a sticky grenade because the feature for sticking grenades on tanks is already in the game for satchel chages just more refining.
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3xcid, give me a break. The ONLY reason I play this game is for the realism. Ross has explained to you countless times why your suggestions wouldn't work. I agree that there should be new weapons added AFTER new maps are added. Then the new weapons should only be added that are appropriate for that time period and location.
On topic, I agree with the addition of the M38 carbine, the luger PO8. MP41 isn't my favorite idea as it was rare, and as mentioned before, primarily issued to MP. The MG42 would be nice if it can be 100% proven to be at Stalingrad.
This is just an idea, and it may take some tweaking. To access the DT29, you would have to "search" a knocked out tank. 50% of the time, a usable DT29 would be "found" inside the tank.
Like? Input would be great.
On topic, I agree with the addition of the M38 carbine, the luger PO8. MP41 isn't my favorite idea as it was rare, and as mentioned before, primarily issued to MP. The MG42 would be nice if it can be 100% proven to be at Stalingrad.
This is just an idea, and it may take some tweaking. To access the DT29, you would have to "search" a knocked out tank. 50% of the time, a usable DT29 would be "found" inside the tank.
Like? Input would be great.
here we go again..... Ross and other people just made clear that there were no Waffen-SS troops involved in the battle !!!! And as far as i know the SS and wehrmacht both used the 42 .. SO his comment was about that these SS soldiers were handeling an early MG42, which could have seen action in Stalingrad, BUT that the SS did not fight in the battle.
Plus, i hope you can live with the fact that RO started as an historically accurate game, so stop *****ing and moaning about your 'balance' if you want balance go play CoD, BF or God knows what! Is real life balanced ? no it's not. were the Poles 'balanced' when they fought the Germans, were the Belgians, French, Norwegians? Or the Rumanians who fled from the soviets at Stalingrad? There almost never is a perfect balance idiot, just like all other wars in history. Stop talking rubbish, you're pissing alot of people of ! Leave and get back when you have something useful and meaningful to contribute to this thread .
Plus, i hope you can live with the fact that RO started as an historically accurate game, so stop *****ing and moaning about your 'balance' if you want balance go play CoD, BF or God knows what! Is real life balanced ? no it's not. were the Poles 'balanced' when they fought the Germans, were the Belgians, French, Norwegians? Or the Rumanians who fled from the soviets at Stalingrad? There almost never is a perfect balance idiot, just like all other wars in history. Stop talking rubbish, you're pissing alot of people of ! Leave and get back when you have something useful and meaningful to contribute to this thread .
Why do you think that I meant Call of duty or Battlefield when I spoken of balance? Each game needs to have balance because otherwhise it would be unplayble. Red orchestra exploits for the germans to have advantage over the rifles and heavy mg-s as for the russian to have advantage on close quarter combat. That was what I meant. So you don't have to consider yourself a smartass satirizing me that I play Call of duty or Battlefield. War isn't supposed to be balanced I know that but why do you think they released classic mode because people weren't enjoying the game for getting killed so easily at distance. So historic balance isn't the problem the game mechanics are that is why we are all complaining and making suggestions about what to add on the suggestion topic.
Plus many people complain about the historical realistic loadouts issued in the game and whenever someone starts to speak about them there always has to be a smartass coming back with the MKB/Avt argument that the game doesn't have realistic loadouts that they are making the game to Call of duty-sh. Instead of that why not add more weapons that weren't produced in high numbers but will not be as dull as adding a AK 47 for russians in-game like the MP34,35, Zb 30 and many others.
Plus many people complain about the historical realistic loadouts issued in the game and whenever someone starts to speak about them there always has to be a smartass coming back with the MKB/Avt argument that the game doesn't have realistic loadouts that they are making the game to Call of duty-sh. Instead of that why not add more weapons that weren't produced in high numbers but will not be as dull as adding a AK 47 for russians in-game like the MP34,35, Zb 30 and many others.
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Wow thats a good idea, one thing is unrealistic, so lets just make it worse!
How about this radical idea, lets take out the avt, and not add the g43.
Who cares it is realistic or not? Just because we want it to be on this forum that doesn't mean people will really bother if the producers would add them in-game: Mp34-35 or other guns that weren't produced in high numbers.
Unfortunately its hard to blame the community too much for wanting more, the devs have tempted everybody with assault rifles and they have fallen for the bait.
Still, it NEEDs to be taken out of realism mode (or maybe they need to add an "authentic mode".
There is more than one way around the issue, but it is an issue.
First of all, I care, obviously. Second of all, I was referring to the g41, not the mp34.
That's what it was like in real life, that's why RO tries to be as accurate as possible. And the Soviet and German rifles are equally matched adversaries..
I wonder why a certain somebody keeps posting when it has been made abundantly clear that nobody here likes their 'ideas', or even cares to hear them.
If you don't want historical accuracy, go away and play something else. The whole reason the devs said they made the original mod in the first place was because they felt it was lacking from mainstream shooters - why are you playing a game that is specifically supposed to be something you don't like? Go back to BF and CoD, where you have lots of unlocks and no historical accuracy at all. Then you can be happy and we can make threads on these forums without having to worry about them being drowned out by an endless torrent of awful ideas.
If you don't want historical accuracy, go away and play something else. The whole reason the devs said they made the original mod in the first place was because they felt it was lacking from mainstream shooters - why are you playing a game that is specifically supposed to be something you don't like? Go back to BF and CoD, where you have lots of unlocks and no historical accuracy at all. Then you can be happy and we can make threads on these forums without having to worry about them being drowned out by an endless torrent of awful ideas.