MP-40 is a a death ray gun!
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Check my ballistics calculator in the previous post 3-6 " at 100yds again I don't have a real problem with in game smg's at 100m.The problem I do have is their accuracy and bullet drop at 200m and beyond.On fallen fighters I first noticed I was getting 200 plus range kills without adjusting my sights on a mp40.sniping people out of windows you name it.
There is a reason why on ballistics tables handguns only go up to 100m its because its way off the chart at 200m .100m is the effective accurate range of a 9mm.Alot of people play games and think they know guns lol this isnt rocket science and is common knowledge amongst gun enthusiasts.
Here is a good topic on this matter and like I said check out my ballistics calculator in my previous post.http://www.warriortalk.com/archive/index.php/t-87140.html?http://www.warriortalk.com/archive/index.php/t-87140.html?
My last post on this subject you can't win internet arguments.And it seems the smgs guys are very defensive about their weapons.If TWI decides to keep their unrealistic extended range accuracy I will deal with it and move on ..... Just in RL its just not the case
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I'm just sick and tired of everybody and his brother having an smg, and several of them window camping from 50-200 yards with them like some kind of full-auto sniper rifle! Yes, in real life you could kill people just fine with one at 100m, but the stated in-game purpose of including them is for "assault."
"Assault" does not include camping in 5th story windows shooting at ants across the map with the riflemen having to storm the enemy positions and face THEIR smg's.
So, as a compromise solution (assuming they're NOT going to lower the unrealistic ratio of MP40's to Kar98's (which was ideally 8 98's to 1 MP40 in 1942-43, but often less in Stalingrad), why not make them fully accurate to 50m, iffy accurate at 50-100m, and crapola at over 100m? If people are using them as intended, why would they gripe?
"Assault" does not include camping in 5th story windows shooting at ants across the map with the riflemen having to storm the enemy positions and face THEIR smg's.
So, as a compromise solution (assuming they're NOT going to lower the unrealistic ratio of MP40's to Kar98's (which was ideally 8 98's to 1 MP40 in 1942-43, but often less in Stalingrad), why not make them fully accurate to 50m, iffy accurate at 50-100m, and crapola at over 100m? If people are using them as intended, why would they gripe?
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You're sick and tired of everyone having an SMG? Here's a tip for you, stop playing Team Deathmatch. =p Typically only 6 or so people out of 32 guys can have SMGs in most gameplay modes besides Team Deathmatch so I'm not quite sure what you're on about.
Yeah, honestly I rarely have trouble with an SMG. When I do, it's usually the same player who keeps managing to kill me, so I just chock it up to player skill. More often than not, however, I can drop the chuckleheads with a bolt long before they can get in killing range.
Also, if there are bullets pinging around you, and you pop out of cover and try to fire back, you -deserve- to die. The SMG is an effective suppression tool. Don't count on it's inaccuracy to save you at range.
Also, if there are bullets pinging around you, and you pop out of cover and try to fire back, you -deserve- to die. The SMG is an effective suppression tool. Don't count on it's inaccuracy to save you at range.
Well if they are going to nerf the MP-40 they better make it have a better ROF or something , otherwise then the MP-40 will be worthless wich will leave us with the same problem uh ?
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Every things fine with the mp40 up to 100m after that the accuracy should be nerfed some.It should be used as a close quarters assault weapon not a fully auto rifle that can engage targets 200m plus with great effect.
The MP40 is a tad bit ridiculous, they need to roll that range back to something realistic, instead of just screaming "HELLO GERMAN ENGINEERING! I MEAN OMG SUPER RELIABLE BEEEEEEMERZZZZZ!" It's slower rate of fire makes it a stable firing platform, but again, the range is just not realistic.
Look, theres a certain amount of realism to give the game, and then there's going to far.
What I was saying earlier, is that most real-life battles consist of a bunch of guys hiding in a hole shooting blindly and ****ting their pants. There may be some squad movement in the mix. 1 side almost ALWAYS retreats. In the end it takes upwards of half an hour and a couple of your buddies may be seriously injured or killed.
I think the level of realism the game has now is just great.
I'd still lobby for a less accurate MP40 and maybe suppression that lasts a tiny bit longer, but as is, this game is awesome and NOT CoD(which most of us hate
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What I was saying earlier, is that most real-life battles consist of a bunch of guys hiding in a hole shooting blindly and ****ting their pants. There may be some squad movement in the mix. 1 side almost ALWAYS retreats. In the end it takes upwards of half an hour and a couple of your buddies may be seriously injured or killed.
I think the level of realism the game has now is just great.
I'd still lobby for a less accurate MP40 and maybe suppression that lasts a tiny bit longer, but as is, this game is awesome and NOT CoD(which most of us hate
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Have you actually tried sniping with the MP40? With the current set of maps there is a lot of open space. I tried to engage several targets 100+ yards away on Pavlovs house and it was not effective at all. Might have been latency, but any decent rifleman had no problem killing me. Below 100m it is however deadly and very accurate. Maybe they changed it in the patch?
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The question is not:" Is it balanced?"
the question is:"Is it realistic?"
And if it is, dont change anything! This game is a simulation not a Cod Kiddie game where everything is balanced! I was even able to kill with the mosin nagant people with mps! And the MP40 was very accurate. The PPsh41 was more an smg, that was good at short range.
the question is:"Is it realistic?"
And if it is, dont change anything! This game is a simulation not a Cod Kiddie game where everything is balanced! I was even able to kill with the mosin nagant people with mps! And the MP40 was very accurate. The PPsh41 was more an smg, that was good at short range.
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"This game is a simulation not a Cod Kiddie game"
If this game were a simulation of the Battle of Stalingrad there would not be even teams, weapons, or anything. The SMGs in this game are powerful, just like they were in real life, but lets not go overboard saying this is a simulation. Everything not sim is not CoD.
If this game were a simulation of the Battle of Stalingrad there would not be even teams, weapons, or anything. The SMGs in this game are powerful, just like they were in real life, but lets not go overboard saying this is a simulation. Everything not sim is not CoD.
I also feel like there are a tad too many SMGs.
I think German Commanders should just have a Pistol.
I also think the German team should have 1-2 less assault slots.
I'm fairly certain that historically, PPsh was more common than the MP40 in Stalingrad.
This might also balance the two sides.
I think German Commanders should just have a Pistol.
I also think the German team should have 1-2 less assault slots.
I'm fairly certain that historically, PPsh was more common than the MP40 in Stalingrad.
This might also balance the two sides.
I hope so. With the PPSH having 3-4 times as much recoil, it really isn't fair right now. Drum mags should even it out.
If you think that MP40 is death ray gun. Start your recording program and hop in multiplayer game. Record for 15min of your ownage with MP40 killing stuff 150m+ away.. Post that on youtube please
Despite lacking recoil, it still has a nasty spread. I tried using it a few hours ago and it had me begging for a Kar98k again.