Move the Stg44?

[Kaneohe]

Emphasis on the question mark.

Would it be a good idea to move the Stg44 to the auto-rifle class? This would lure people to the auto-rifleman class, which doesn't seem to be very popular (that I know of.) Also, it would keep the assault trooper class solely focused on close-range combat.

The main con is that it enables the Axis to get a lot more close-up firepower...but as it is now, they can get a lot of long-range capability.

Thoughts?

 

[Hyperion2010]

I think it fits fine where it is for historical reasons as well as because you would never see a g43 or g41 being used in place of an stg44. The stg44 is also strictly worse than either of those at range.

 

[SgtSwanson]

The Stg44 was an assault rifle. And belongs where it is.

 

[Sgt._Geist]

I think it fits fine where it is for historical reasons as well as because you would never see a g43 or g41 being used in place of an stg44. The stg44 is also strictly worse than either of those at range.

The Stg44 is not bad... I wouldnt take it sniping though.. The Germans had the first real assault rifle.. That had the capability of firing intermediate rifle rounds on semi or full auto.. a GREAT advantage over a smg or rifle, plus it had 30 rounds in the mag.. Id take it..

 

[NuCleaR]

No, I don't think it unbalance the game and it is historical correct. It's reputation has maybe been a bit too good though of the games.

 

[Solo4114]

If the issue is "How do you make more people take the semi-auto rifle", um....I don't think there's any problem with that. Most of the time I see people preferring semi-autos for their versatility, and the same with the STG-44. There's only a few maps where bolties are preferable, but most of the maps we play have engagement ranges that still work for the STG and the semis.

 

[Cuddles]

Let the STG be where it is, id rather take a MP40

 

[sander]

I want the STG44 in the Sniperclass!

 

[BSE|Vietcong]

I don't get why the Stgw44 is so inaccurate. I have missed targets with 10 or more precisely aimed shots at distances around 50m. I really aimed perfectly at them and the bullets impacted in a 1m circle around the target. The rifle was resting...
Shouldn't the Stgw44 have an effective range up to 150-200m?

 

[Dheepan]

I haven't had any problems with accuracy. I think most people share that opinion.

 

[Zell]

Perhaps that was a lag issue.

 

[Solo4114]

Soemtimes the German sights can obscure the target, I find. I have trouble hitting much of anything with the G43, for example, but other people have no problems.

 

[Rapp]

I don't get why the Stgw44 is so inaccurate. I have missed targets with 10 or more precisely aimed shots at distances around 50m. I really aimed perfectly at them and the bullets impacted in a 1m circle around the target. The rifle was resting...
Shouldn't the Stgw44 have an effective range up to 150-200m?

Anyone who hasnt experienced this to some degree isnt telling the truth. The grouping is strange with the stg44 and it can often take 6-7 bullets for one to actually go exactly where the crosshair is pointing, of course firing from the hip can make that 6-7 go to 30.

 

[Sgt._Geist]

I actually prefer the G41 over a G43... Only problem is the reload time... also...
I would take a MP41 over a 40...

 

[Dheepan]

Anyone who hasnt experienced this to some degree isnt telling the truth. The grouping is strange with the stg44 and it can often take 6-7 bullets for one to actually go exactly where the crosshair is pointing, of course firing from the hip can make that 6-7 go to 30.

What's the point in lying about that?

I played Konigsplatz today with the StG and I was shooting infantry in singleshot at well over 100-200 meters with ease.

 

[BSE|Vietcong]

I don't know, sometimes it seems really accurate, maybe if you don't expect a perfect hit (i.e. moving target).
But if I see a target, that doesn't move and that is perfectly visible, and I lay my sights over him and make 1 shot, it will almost never hit. Sometimes it will take you an awful amount of ammo to hit it. With a kar 98, this is no problem up to 300-400m, every shot hits perfectly. But with the Stgw, it becomes a problem from 50m on.

Maybe you judged the distance wrong, because on K

 

[Solo4114]

The STG's effective range is only up to about 300m or so, I think. Most infantry engagements occur well within that, certainly on official maps. The bolt-action rifles are accurate up to about 800m, but we can't actually distinguish targets at that distance.

For the most part, I think we only ever engage at a MAXIMUM of about 500m in infantry combat, and even those are mostly just lucky shots.

People often overestimate the range in this game. IE: "Dude, I blew that tank up at like 1000m!!!" Actually it was more like 700m. "I just picked that guy off at like 600m!!" More like 350m, but still, good job -- that's not an easy shot.

 

[TT33]

The STG's effective range is only up to about 300m or so, I think. Most infantry engagements occur well within that, certainly on official maps. The bolt-action rifles are accurate up to about 800m, but we can't actually distinguish targets at that distance.

Actually, its 300-500 meters at full auto and 650 at semi-auto from a few sources.

 

[BSE|Vietcong]

Rifles have an effective range of >800m. Even the best snipers said, that shots at this distances are nearly impossible or you have to fire multiple times to hit the target.

I would just like to shoot accurately with the stgw on distances of 100-200m. That would be awesome

 

[Isaak Johnson]

The grouping is strange with the stg44 and it can often take 6-7 bullets for one to actually go exactly where the crosshair is pointing, of course firing from the hip can make that 6-7 go to 30.

I've noticed this issue with the STG44 as well, about half the time I use it I get weird groupings around the sights, even when resting the weapon, I mostly grab the STG44 when I plan to get in and spray an area.

But I'm not saying its innaccurate, there have been days I've made some pretty good long range shots, but mostly I get weird groupings around my sights when I do use it.