Mosin nagant

[Wtattearp]

hi i know alot of you guys on these forums have mosin nagants I have been shooting newly made ammo out of mine and i have been looking into getting a large military surplus tin but i have stayed away from corrosive ammo i know you have to clean the bore out really well after using corrosive ammo but is there anything else i should know before buying military surplus?

 

[djcarbine]

hi i know alot of you guys on these forums have mosin nagants I have been shooting newly made ammo out of mine and i have been looking into getting a large military surplus tin but i have stayed away from corrosive ammo i know you have to clean the bore out really well after using corrosive ammo but is there anything else i should know before buying military surplus?

Get windex with ammonia in it (Commercial strength) and spray the bore with it after shooting. I have never had problems with the thousands of rounds of mixed surplus I have. The windex will neutralize the corrosive salts in the primers. I've never shot new production commercial, or reloaded the round.... because surplus is just so cheap

 

[Wtattearp]

alright thanks yeah surplus is very cheap i like to get brown bear they are only 8.50 for 20 i saw that surplus was 5.99 for 20 and 90.00 for 440 though lol

 

[KillItNow]

You can buy a tin of 440 rounds for as little as $70, check gun shows or you can buy ammo on line and have it shipped(aim surplus for example). Just be aware of the shipping expense. You should still clean them after you shoot. Some people say all you need is hot soaping water to flush out the salt. Others say that ammonia like in Windex helps get it out. I have done both and do think the windex does help. You should also follow the common gun store rules to prevent rusting. NRA museum specs are 70 degrees with 50% humidity. The humidity helps prevent wood stocks from drying out. The gun should also not be stored in a case(unless its has silicon in it) other wise it traps moister in the case allowing it to rust faster.

The country the ammo comes from should not be a big deal, I would go fro Russian or Bulgaria before other countries however as they generally had better standards.

Note, surplus ammo has steel cores in them, they are not good for hunting. They will have a lot of penetration power so make sure you have a good shoot backdrop.

Tip: To beat expensive ammo shipping cost, I often buy it from Sportsman's Guide and have them price match the ammo. This way shipping is no more then $20 and then I will use a coupon code to save another $10 or more. I commonly buy 2 tins of ammo at a time and pay less then $10 to ship it.

Correction: I was wrong on chrome lined barrel, just assumed from the little issues I have with mine vs other guns i have that I know for a fact do not have chrome lined barrels.

 

[LMAOser]

All ammunition is corrosive to some extent, but surplus ammunition is definitely very corrosive. Like you mentioned, clean the bore out really well after shooting.

As long as you do that, though, there's not a ton of harm in shooting surplus. I shoot surplus ammunition out of my Mosin and K98s because it is significantly cheaper. They tend to be really "hot" though. Do a little research on different types of surplus ammunition on the internet before you buy some. For example, I will not shoot 1950s Yugoslavian ammunition out of my K98 - I have heard bad stories about it.

I would suggest buying a ton of surplus. Other than the nuisance of having to really clean thoroughly afterwards, it's a lot cheaper.

 

[Zaltehook]

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There's a tremendous amount of corrosive primed surplus 7.62x54r in spam cans to be found on the cheap. After shooting such ammo it is important to flush the moisture-attracting salts from the barrel to prevent rust build-up and eventual pitting of the bore.

The time tested method used since civil war times is to run boiling water down the barrel to clear it out, send any cleaning solvent soaked patches down the bore, dry patches run down it and then oiled patches run down it. Works like a charm.

Alternatively you may use any cleaning solvent that is marked as a black powder solvent such as Hoppe's #9 (A popular black powder solvent that works very well). Personally I use 1 part Balistol 9 parts water to clean my nuggets, but have used Hoppe's prior to great effect. Just remember to oil the bore before storage and you're set for corrosive ammo.

Safe shooting and have fun!

 

[r5cya]

[url]www.7.62x54r.com[/URL]

Read all and learn.

There's a tremendous amount of corrosive primed surplus 7.62x54r in spam cans to be found on the cheap. After shooting such ammo it is important to flush the moisture-attracting salts from the barrel to prevent rust build-up and eventual pitting of the bore.

The time tested method used since civil war times is to run boiling water down the barrel to clear it out, send any cleaning solvent soaked patches down the bore, dry patches run down it and then oiled patches run down it. Works like a charm.

Alternatively you may use any cleaning solvent that is marked as a black powder solvent such as Hoppe's #9 (A popular black powder solvent that works very well). Personally I use 1 part Balistol 9 parts water to clean my nuggets, but have used Hoppe's prior to great effect. Just remember to oil the bore before storage and you're set for corrosive ammo.

Safe shooting and have fun!

^THIS! corrosive salts can't be neutralized. only acid can be neutralized. the only thing that does any good is WATER. it dissolves the salts. i don't care where you get your water. if you want to shoot windex down the barrel at the range, do it. hot water is the best though. hot, so it evaporates fast. make sure you run some hoppes and oil through it asap. because as was wrongly stated earlier, mosins do NOT have chrome lined barrels. they will rust up fast.
the ammo recommendations were right on. i'd like to add that you want to avoid laquer coated ammo. it causes more problems that it's worth. go with brass cased if you can find it. the brass is good for scrap value. save up enough and you can use the money to buy more. copper washed steel is the next best thing. throw out the empties on those.
so whatcha shootin anyway? 91/30? m44? m38? 91/59? m27? m28? m39? m28/76? draggon? ex-dragoon? pu sniper? pe sniper? pem sniper? the list of mosins goes on and on! LOL! i have six on that list and multiples of some of them.
check out the gun and game forum when you get a chance great bunch of guys! (except me. i'm the worst!)
[url]http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/mosin-nagant/[/URL]

 

[slyder73]

Buy the cheap ammo with corrosive primers (less often the powder). It doesn't take a lot of effort, just make sure you plan time to clean the barrel. Water as some have said. I just use water and varsol then a VERY light oil of everything cleansed by water and varsol to protect from corrosion. (When it comes to barrel, very light cannot be overstated, or none at all inside the barrel. I only do mine to protect for long storage if I don't fire them for years at a time, but you do not want oil in your barrels.)

 

[TheRealGunther]

Or you could do like me and just reload your own bullets using good primers and powder(making superior rounds).For the 7.62x54r you can also use 308. bullets for casual shooting but the 311. bullets will be more accurate.Surprisingly not by much tho just make sure you never use 311. bullets in a 308. that would be very bad .

Surplus ammo is nice for rarer bullets like the 7.62x54 not too mention a lot cheaper.If you ever get set up for reloading its easy to make good non corrosive bullets cheap.And without the hassle of constant gun maintenance but, reloading is not for everyone costs a little to get started and you have to be very careful.

 

[djcarbine]

Russian mosin nagants do not have chrome lined barrels. The chinese variant may have had some chrome lined, but I have not seen any.

Ammonia in windex will help dissolve the corrosive salts, neutralizing the effects by washing them out the barrel.

 

[WingmanSR]

Just got myself a 1937 Tula 91/30 for $120 =)
can't wait to clean out the cosmoline and see how she shoots.

 

[TheRealGunther]

I Love the Mosin Nagant rifles in all their forms was a very well made gun.My only gripe is the trigger pull its long and heavy.Also like the 7.62x54r round (The "R" stands for rimmed not Russian btw)

Pro tip video on how to improve the trigger pull for all you MN owners its easy to do and can be reversed just as easily.Just using a 0.04 washer some models you can use a bigger washer ...just Make Sure you cock it empty and bang the stock on the floor to make sure a jar want make it fire if it does try a smaller washer.I have had no problems at all and it has a lot lighter trigger pull.

Mosin Nagant trigger job - YouTube

 

[KillItNow]

Buy the cheap ammo with corrosive primers (less often the powder). It doesn't take a lot of effort, just make sure you plan time to clean the barrel. Water as some have said. I just use water and varsol then a VERY light oil of everything cleansed by water and varsol to protect from corrosion. (When it comes to barrel, very light cannot be overstated, or none at all inside the barrel. I only do mine to protect for long storage if I don't fire them for years at a time, but you do not want oil in your barrels.)

Nothing wrong about gun oil in the barrel as it prevents rust. As long as you don't fire it with the oil in bore. Just don't leave bore cleaner in there, that's just asking for it.

 

[theta123]

Shooting corrosive ammo issent damaging to your rifle..As long as you clean it after shooting. Any russian 7.62x54mmR surplus ammo is corrosive. The reason why is because of the salts in the primer. These salts preserve the primer much and much longer. BUT=
-Lead and salt residue=Attract moisture after a while=Corrosion!
while you dont have to clean your rifle like..1 minute after firing...Cleaning it after 5 days issent good aswel.

Its all a matter of what you want

-cheap ammo in huge quantities? but requires good cleaning afterwards=Surplus ammo. As for accuracy...if you arent shooting tin cans at 400 meters it is fine..
I now had 2 good experiences with surplus ammo and one not so good. But the last one was a gamble of me... bit my own fault. Look for obvious signs of the round.
Is the tin can unopend? Any signs of rust? Then you have probaly some good surplus ammo right there.

-Non corrosive ammo in good quality today made? PVRI partisan has good 7.62x54mmR ammo If i recall. But yeah, they cost more

I honestly enjoyed shooting surplus ammo with my mosin nagant Dragoon/30. But i am gonna stop shooting with that rifle and im gonna buy a M91/30 to fire surplus ammo.