More guns later on?

[Janshi]

Posted this in the other gun suggestions thread, so I'll simplify what I think:

Because British weapons/army doesn't get a lot of love, I think it'd be great if the weapons included a few more British weaponry.

Commandoes:
L22
L85A2 (Longer-range, but scope means spray n'pray at close range)
LSW (accurate automatic weapon limited by magazine-feed)

This gives the Commando more opportunity to be something beyond one-weapon wonder. Still focused on doing medium-close range, but with more variety. I imagine that the commando will take L22 + L85A2/LSW, trading off depending on the situation. The L85A2 gives him more range to play with, which is especially useful on open maps, while the LSW is more 'anything goes'. LSW should not have a scope, so while it can be an accurate long range weapon, the sniper-rifles are still better for one-shot kill long range.

Sharpshooters:
Lee-Enfield Mk. III

Because it is the quintessential British rifle of the 20th century and it needs to be there, damnit. I have no idea why a Winchester is there over a Lee-Enfield - they're still around in museums and India still uses them. Limitations are of course close range - its a damn long-barreled weapon so at close range you should be getting out the pistols. Or, ideally, use the bayonet. Give another weapon for the Bezerkers

 

[Zeptorem]

Posted this in the other gun suggestions thread, so I'll simplify what I think:

Because British weapons/army doesn't get a lot of love, I think it'd be great if the weapons included a few more British weaponry.

Commandoes:
L22
L85A2 (Longer-range, but scope means spray n'pray at close range)
LSW (accurate automatic weapon limited by magazine-feed)

This gives the Commando more opportunity to be something beyond one-weapon wonder. Still focused on doing medium-close range, but with more variety. I imagine that the commando will take L22 + L85A2/LSW, trading off depending on the situation. The L85A2 gives him more range to play with, which is especially useful on open maps, while the LSW is more 'anything goes'. LSW should not have a scope, so while it can be an accurate long range weapon, the sniper-rifles are still better for one-shot kill long range.

Sharpshooters:
Lee-Enfield Mk. III

Because it is the quintessential British rifle of the 20th century and it needs to be there, damnit. I have no idea why a Winchester is there over a Lee-Enfield - they're still around in museums and India still uses them. Limitations are of course close range - its a damn long-barreled weapon so at close range you should be getting out the pistols. Or, ideally, use the bayonet. Give another weapon for the Bezerkers

I like the British ideas, and as much as I love the SMLE, it seems like its niche is already filled with crossbow.

And having three different SA-80 variants seems a bit... boring, to say the least. Variety is the spice of life.

 

[Janshi]

In my vision, the crossbow becomes a very niche weapon - you use it to prove your badass, or because its a freakin' crossbow - but the next weapon/replacement for the sniper should be the SMLE. The thing is, I just can't reason why the hell there is a Winchester in a Police/Military unit. Yea, they're a staple of the genre and whatnot, but they just don't make sense when you have the perfectly good Lee-Enfield. And you're in England. There are so many SMLE's just lying about in museums, it's criminal not to use them when the zombie-clone apocalypse occurs.

To be honest, I'd just love to have the SMLE, and damn the Winchester to Hell. Maybe, if you're a sharpshooter, you get the scope to do some frakkin' amazing shots. Everyone else just does the iron sights.

As for the SA80, I see your point. They just don't get enough love. With the M4, M16, G36c, AK-47, Uzi etc. being pretty much standard in every FPS it feels criminal to not allow the SA80 to shine.
I'd take just having the L86A2 though, if we could give the Commando an ultimate weapon. Accurate automatic weapon gives the class the boost it needs. It's basically good at everything without excelling in anything - as someone suggested in another gun thread, its easy to limit to prevent being an uber weapon by making it a bit slower to reload (redundant for the Commando class with their faster reloading speed) and the rather limited magazine (well, when compared to other automatics, especially belt-feds like FN MINIMI).

 

[Zeptorem]

In my vision, the crossbow becomes a very niche weapon - you use it to prove your badass, or because its a freakin' crossbow - but the next weapon/replacement for the sniper should be the SMLE. The thing is, I just can't reason why the hell there is a Winchester in a Police/Military unit. Yea, they're a staple of the genre and whatnot, but they just don't make sense when you have the perfectly good Lee-Enfield. And you're in England. There are so many SMLE's just lying about in museums, it's criminal not to use them when the zombie-clone apocalypse occurs.

Yeah, I love the SMLE too. Sometimes I'll just sit and rack the deliciously smooth and light action for awhile, feeling the heft of the rifle in my hands... wait, what were we talking about?

To be honest, I'd just love to have the SMLE, and damn the Winchester to Hell.

Actually, I can kinda see how they'd get along. The SMLE could be like a midway between the Winchester 94 and the crossbow in terms of power, penetration, accuracy, and speed.

Maybe, if you're a sharpshooter, you get the scope to do some frakkin' amazing shots. Everyone else just does the iron sights.

Actually, I find the scope in the crossbow too constrictive, hence why I never use it.

I could abide by a low power (1.5x) scope on the SMLE though.

As for the SA80, I see your point. They just don't get enough love. With the M4, M16, G36c, AK-47, Uzi etc. being pretty much standard in every FPS it feels criminal to not allow the SA80 to shine.

Yeah, I'm just not a big fan of the SA80, personally. I'd much rather see a truly great British gun like the Bren as the commando's heavy weapon, rather than a mediocre bullpup ripoff of an American design...

I'm still waiting for a game with the AR-18 or Stoner 63 in it. Then my life would be complete.

Update to the OP: changed the MP5, which is in every single game, to the Thompson model 1928, a fine weapon used by the British in WWII, and probably still kicking around (illegally) in the safes of private collectors.

 

[Janshi]

If we can add guns, then hells yes have the SMLE be the intermediary between crossbow and winchester. However, it's more likely that a weapon will be changed rather than have another one added onto, unless Tripwire is willing to spend the time to balance it out.

I've never fired a L85A2, so all I know is from wikipedia and some review sites, which tend to find it an excellent design, especially after the A2 upgrade. As long as it's British, I'll be satisfied. Yes, we're not the best at engineering, but damnit the love should be there. That's why I recommend the L86A2 as the 'super' weapon of the commandos. It's a good weapon, in the hand of the Commandos it becomes killer (faster reloading times), and yet has good limitations that keep it from becoming the hunting shotgun or chainsaw (aka uber-weapons).

 

[Renagade Raven]

Yeah

Yeah

I agree with the whole British weapons not getting much love, damn call of duty (despite how much i love the games) havent included them in 3 or 4...

I thought that would change here, being set in Britain

I'll post again SMLE and I totally agree with teh SA80A2... which by the way is the most reliable Assault Rifle currently used.

 

[TheUSER9000]

I reread your list again and I would like to comment on few that I haven't in the past. The Saiga 12 looks really awesome, and I am definitely in favor of adding that into the game. The Mac11 also is a really great idea, such a weapon is needed as the game only has a selection of two pistols. I'm not too sure about the AR-10, but the Barrett M99 is certainly what I had in mind for the sharp shooter class. Also, the M202A1 seems a bit to overpowered, however it could work (and the picture with Arnold in it is priceless ^^).

Finally, the flare gun is pure genius. I love the idea of bursting off a shot into the air to notify the ones around you as to your whereabouts.

 

[Zeptorem]

I reread your list again and I would like to comment on few that I haven't in the past. The Saiga 12 looks really awesome, and I am definitely in favor of adding that into the game. The Mac11 also is a really great idea, such a weapon is needed as the game only has a selection of two pistols. I'm not too sure about the AR-10, but the Barrett M99 is certainly what I had in mind for the sharp shooter class. Also, the M202A1 seems a bit to overpowered, however it could work (and the picture with Arnold in it is priceless ^^).

Finally, the flare gun is pure genius. I love the idea of bursting off a shot into the air to notify the ones around you as to your whereabouts.

Well, the idea of the M202A1 isn't to be a big damage-dealer, like the LAW. It's a big, fiery, AoE weapon. You wouldn't use it against scrakes or the fleshpound, (it would probably just set him alight and make him mad), but it would work well against a crowd of clots and crawlers.

 

[TheUSER9000]

Well, I can see that it would work well against a large crowd of clots ^^. However, on the flip side, I do not agree with your commando choices. The Thompson does not fit the whole universe of the game. I mean sure it would be a unique weapon to have, but it really is out of place. I'm not 100% on what should be added in to the game, I previously said the AK, but really any modern high power assault rifle would do. I realize the Thompson is a powerful weapon, but it's just so unfitting in my opinion. I'm really not for WWII weaponry being added into the game, but again, that's just my opinion.

 

[Zeptorem]

Well, I can see that it would work well against a large crowd of clots ^^. However, on the flip side, I do not agree with your commando choices. The Thompson does not fit the whole universe of the game. I mean sure it would be a unique weapon to have, but it really is out of place. I'm not 100% on what should be added in to the game, I previously said the AK, but really any modern high power assault rifle would do. I realize the Thompson is a powerful weapon, but it's just so unfitting in my opinion.

I guess it's depending on how you see it.

Most people picture the thompson as a US GI's gun or or in the hands some 20s bank robber, I see it being used by British soldiers and lawmen.

I'm still not 100% on what the commando weapons should be.

 

[Zeptorem]

Bump, replaced thompson with Walther MPL, added a few different things, still ambivalent about my sharpshooter ideas. Suggestions are welcome. Maybe a semi-auto, scoped FAL?

 

[thrash242]

- Commando should also be able to see the Patriarch when cloaked, the same way he sees Stalkers, making him more useful in the boss fight.

Have you never played commando against the patriarch? I'm guessing not, because it already works this way. Commandos can see all cloaked enemies.

 

[Zeptorem]

Have you never played commando against the patriarch? I'm guessing not, because it already works this way. Commandos can see all cloaked enemies.

I didn't know; the commando perk just says he can see cloaked stalkers, and I've never been suicidal enough to play as commando during the patriarch wave...

 

[213]

ok, ww2 era weapons are going to be hard to find and supply ammo for. not even the black market is going to bother selling those. uzis, ak47s, ar15, etc. these are the weapons they'll likely be selling. weapons popular in the late 70s and 80s.

so the ww2 crap...just drop it from every suggestion you have. unless they've been refitted for widespread civilian use like the winchester or are common hunting equipment like the crossbow, stop trying to include them in your suggestions.

what's the appeal of weapons like the enfield, sten, mg42 and thompson? they're awful.

 

[D3terioNation]

Yeh come on! You think us Brits cant get hold of decent modern equipent???

Jeez

 

[mamoo]

Bump, replaced thompson with Walther MPL, added a few different things, still ambivalent about my sharpshooter ideas. Suggestions are welcome. Maybe a semi-auto, scoped FAL?

How about a scoped Springfield rifle?

 

[mamoo]

Yeh come on! You think us Brits cant get hold of decent modern equipent???

Jeez

Lol they think we still use swords and are still having trouble fighting off the scots!

 

[mamoo]

ok, ww2 era weapons are going to be hard to find and supply ammo for. not even the black market is going to bother selling those. uzis, ak47s, ar15, etc. these are the weapons they'll likely be selling. weapons popular in the late 70s and 80s.

so the ww2 crap...just drop it from every suggestion you have. unless they've been refitted for widespread civilian use like the winchester or are common hunting equipment like the crossbow, stop trying to include them in your suggestions.

what's the appeal of weapons like the enfield, sten, mg42 and thompson? they're awful.

Woah, woah, that's a lot to be saying! First, the re-supplying WWII weps point, yes, I agree, but the whole point of modding is to make the game how you want in with NO restrictions. Second, what's not appealing about an MG42?

 

[joska]

my gun idies

my gun idies

could you make a sniperrife with good scope for long range!
a windchester with a knife on the front so you can go over on melee
a machine gun thet you can put down on the ground with much ammo
some kind of small lingthing pistol thet has much damage much ammo but less range
can you make something thet can summons a dog
a cowboy pistol
SMG thet you can deul wield
knife deul wield
a litel controlebol flame tank
an antivirusRifle the dose humans heal and zombies die

hope you take some of these idies in game

 

[mamoo]

could you make a sniperrife with good scope for long range!
a windchester with a knife on the front so you can go over on melee
a machine gun thet you can put down on the ground with much ammo
some kind of small lingthing pistol thet has much damage much ammo but less range
can you make something thet can summons a dog
a cowboy pistol
SMG thet you can deul wield
knife deul wield
a litel controlebol flame tank
an antivirusRifle the dose humans heal and zombies die

hope you take some of these idies in game

Tanks would mow everything down no problem, especially flame ones!
You try wielding dual SMGs!
Bayonet FTW!!!
A lighning pistol?!?! You gotta be kidding!