You seem to have missed my point. Surely you must recognise the difference between this level, and the regular levels?
I am sure during the regular levels there is actually (I assume) some sort of "fun" element or challenge.
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You seem to have missed my point. Surely you must recognise the difference between this level, and the regular levels?
I am sure during the regular levels there is actually (I assume) some sort of "fun" element or challenge.
Quick! Stop the wnb-terrorists from watching Die Hard 2!!!!!!!
SheepDip, the level is just there for the drama-factor, imo it's awesome.
SheepDip, the level is just there for the drama-factor, imo it's awesome.
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So what I am hearing is that I may be under the wrong impression. You actually do not play the level you just watch it? One of the videos I saw there was a guy playing it. So I was surprised that IW would put you in this role of the terrorist instead of trying to prevent it. IDK. I guess we will see what comes of this game. I know I am out for sure.
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So what I am hearing is that I may be under the wrong impression. You actually do not play the level you just watch it? One of the videos I saw there was a guy playing it. So I was surprised that IW would put you in this role of the terrorist instead of trying to prevent it. IDK. I guess we will see what comes of this game. I know I am out for sure.
Seeing scenes like this depicted in this manner (IRL,film,TV,Game) is disturbing - and I don't see why anyone would want to play, or want to provide someone the option of playing it - however edgy they're trying to be, or however they're trying to "push the envelope" (Maybe they could try pushing the envelope gameplaywise instead?)
It's not really a suitable argument to say "it happens in real life" which seems to be the most flouted excuse - because that only really justifies it's depiction. It does not really justify having the player take part.
And don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with violence in games, or any media - but I cannot think of a single game that permitted behaviour of this nature that did not have a distinctly tongue-in-cheek nature to it.
I just think it's bad taste is all! Especially if it is playable of course - as it looks to be...
Edit : Aren't you annoyed with people saying "It's just a game"? As if somehow games are a lower form of entertainment and therefore it doesn't matter?
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I agree it should not be in the game. I am already on the bandwagon for them not having servers. This makes it even worse in my eyes. BTW (correct me if I am wrong) Tongue in cheek means: to be sarcastic. I found that out from a UK forum I am involved with. To me, at first, it meant you were kissing their Arse and Tossing their Salad. Tossing the salad is a prison term here. You can google it. I am not going any farther. LMAO
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I agree it should not be in the game. I am already on the bandwagon for them not having servers. This makes it even worse in my eyes. BTW (correct me if I am wrong) Tongue in cheek means: to be sarcastic. I found that out from a UK forum I am involved with. To me, at first, it meant you were kissing their Arse and Tossing their Salad. Tossing the salad is a prison term here. You can google it. I am not going any farther. LMAO
Do you count Grand Theft Auto games as "tongue in cheeck"?
There are loads of games where you can injure/kill/decapitate civilians/normal people that don't have guns.
And no, it doesn't bother me that people say "it's just a game". I've heard that phrase all the time in my life. My mom and dad played with wooden horses when they were 12 years old, I played Duke Nukem 3d 8)
There are loads of games where you can injure/kill/decapitate civilians/normal people that don't have guns.
And no, it doesn't bother me that people say "it's just a game". I've heard that phrase all the time in my life. My mom and dad played with wooden horses when they were 12 years old, I played Duke Nukem 3d 8)
GTA isn't about killing innocent people. You can but its your choice. MW2 has a level specifically designed to murder people. I think that's a big difference.
This made me want the game even more. I have no problem killing pixels, even if they are unarmed.
True, but there's some minor diffrences:
1. GTA has always been about being a criminal more or less, and often killing innocents is optional. It happens, but often you're more busy or worried about other gang members, criminals, da capos and such. It fits with the game theme aswell.
2. Carmageddon is also meant to be kind of game where doing odd stuff (ramming cars, breaking things, driving over pedestrians etc) is the goal.
However, CoD series have always been about good guys beat the bad guys if we're to put it in very rough nutshell, and often going to the point that it's you vs 50 'elite' divisions that spawns out from a closet and roughly resembling odd Doom clone with hellspawn replaced with germans or russians or some other things. Now that they suddenly include something that looks like your only purpose is to have Doomclone but enemy sprites replaced with civilians, it is pretty odd. It might not be 'that' bad, but it looks ridiculous. It is comparable as if TWI would suddenly go and announce that RO:HoS would include WoW like MMORPG world and everyone would be simply wtf.
Granted, we can't really tell at this point what is purpose behind that leaked footage (besides possible publicity stunt) but if they wanted to have bad guys doing something, there's tons of alternate ways to make it interesting. If they want you to actually play the bad guy, it ought to have some sense it, considering that I would do a beter job replacing doom monster sprites with civilians.
Well if you think it's beyond good taste, don't pull the trigger (push the X or whatever button). Just watch the baddies mow them down. I don't think it's beyond bad taste.
Now raping an indian woman who is tied to a pole while dodging volleys of arrows is beyond good taste.
Now raping an indian woman who is tied to a pole while dodging volleys of arrows is beyond good taste.
I don't personally consider it bad taste, merely borderlining it. Not that I am buying the game anyway, not fan of CoD multiplayer and the single player division spawnfest grew me tired already in CoDUO and even more so in CoD2.
I'm looking forward to the next RapeLay UN controversy.
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I hope someone does a mod where Bobby Kotick and Robert Bowlings heads are on the civilians getting killed. Then at the end of the level you get to roll back the price to $19.99 and destroy IWnet with a satchel charge.
Well everyone is going to have an opinion on what they'll find acceptable.
Unlike the GTA games where you were presented with the freedom to do what you want (and yes all the GTA games are very tongue in cheek) this missions objective is just to murder civilians. In the same style I might add as the Mumbai attacks in 2008 when 2 people with AK47's walked into a packed train terminal and murdered 50+ people.
I personally think that for a game of this type, with the original MW fanbase (let's face it, CoD4 has a massive <18 fanbase) - that this is an irresponsible thing to allow the player to control.
Even if you can skip it - how many 12 year olds do you think whose parents are too ****ing stupid to know better are going to skip it?
There are enough douchebags looking to strip down/censor/ban games already and this is perfect ammunition for them. The last thing the industry needs is more regulatory oversight or scrutiny.
The only thing this is good for is generating publicity through outrage. It's a stupid cheap marketing tool that'll could have ramifications for an entire industry in the stricter countries (Germany/Oz spring to mind).
And as for "It's just a game" - surely you must realise that is no longer a valid argument for anything. Games haven't been "just games" for at least the last decade.
They are a dynamic and exciting form of entertainment, and a form of art. More games are sold in a year than films, and whether they have artisitc, pedagogic or purely entertainment merits - when something has garnered such a massive popular appeal it is no longer "just" anything.
As far as i can see....the player in the video dient HAD to shoot the civilians perse. TBH, i couldent care less, i dont care about COD to begin with. Sure its questionable if a game really NEEDS that type of stuff to introduce a intrueging story. And besides, i had fun in MANHUNT killing people on the most gruesom way. Eventrough i never could play the game for a longer period but only shows that disgust has entertainment value too.
Hey guys! Big what if here!!
Ok we all saw the 'leaked' footage. But who the hell is the dude?? You can clearly see him reflected on the telly at one point.
Secondly no-one is that stupid to include a mission where you have to kill every single person in sight!
Thirdly, this may have been a test level to see how many characters they can get on screen like an in-house tech demo basically.
I am certain this will not be in the final game!!! 100%
And you can all e-bully me if Im wrong!!
Ok we all saw the 'leaked' footage. But who the hell is the dude?? You can clearly see him reflected on the telly at one point.
Secondly no-one is that stupid to include a mission where you have to kill every single person in sight!
Thirdly, this may have been a test level to see how many characters they can get on screen like an in-house tech demo basically.
I am certain this will not be in the final game!!! 100%
And you can all e-bully me if Im wrong!!
I thought you're some undercover agent who has infiltrated a terrorist cell in that mission and your main objective is to play along. Kill or don't kill, your choice. So then the mission wouldn't be "mow down civilians".
And do you mean <18 kids will suddenly go on killing sprees after they've played that level by saying "that this is an irresponsible thing to allow the player to control."? You're starting to believe all the propaganda made up by housewives, churman government etc etc?
And I never said that *I* think that games are just games, I'm just used to hearing that.
PS. I didn't find GTA IV that tongue in cheek. It was rather serious and grown up compared to previous games.