MKb42 or AK47? Tommy or M4?

[Azukki]

Let's compare.

MKb42 VS AK47
MKb has 15% less vertical recoil (425 v 500)
MKb has 10% less horizontal recoil (225 v 250)
MKb recoils straight upward on average, AK veers rightward.
MKb has 40% less spread (0.009 vs 0.015)
MKb has higher priority (have both, hit '3,' and it's higher on the list)
MKb has a steadier animation for holding iron sights up (doesn't move one pixel, AK wobbles a tiny bit)
MKb has a pointier front sight
AK is 9% slower cycling (0.1 v 0.109)
Tied damage, mag cap, reload time, ammo cost, ammo reserve
MKb costs 10% more (1100 v 1000, to 330 v 300)
AK47 is the spawn weapon for 6*

I'd call this one a solid win for the Nazis. It's good that the AK is the 6* spawn weapon, because otherwise it'd be made entirely obsolete, bar a tiny bit of dosh saving.


Now let's pit two American arms against each other!
Tommy VS M4
M4 is 12.5% less powerful (40 v 35)
T is 10% cheaper (900 v 1000)
M4 is <1% slower to reload (3.6 v 3.6333)
M4 is 20% heavier (5 v 6)
T has 40% less vertical recoil (150 v 250)
Tied mag cap, ammo costs, horizontal recoil, and sight animation stability
M4 has higher priority
T is 14% slower cycling (0.0857 v 0.075)
T has 25% less ammo (300 v 400)
T has 50% more spread (0.012 v 0.008)

This one is way more disputable, but I personally prefer the Thompson.


Discuss, and let me know what I got wrong, or left out.

 

[jalex3]

I cant say I care. I just use the 2 new ones.
I like WW2 weapons If they are or were "worse".
I would still play with them. Thompson sounds awesome to!

 

[Amber Glass]

they all have their places.

the MKB IMO has a slight advantage over the AK, and the Tommy is excellent for up close stuff considering its nearly 0 recoil and high rate of fire. i still prefer the M4's red dot sights out of all them, and will continue to use it when i need precise accuracy at range, otherwise i take the thompson because i love the M1A1 model

still think the tommy should have more recoil/spread, especially offperk

 

[C_Gibby]

I think a very minor damage buff to the AK and the M4 would restore the balance and not devalue them so.

Remember, minor damage buff. Like an extra 10 points for both of them.

 

[Amber Glass]

I think a very minor damage buff to the AK and the M4 would restore the balance and not devalue them so.

Remember, minor damage buff. Like an extra 10 points for both of them.

i would agree with this, i find it kind of silly that a .45ACP pistol round is more powerful than a 5.56 rifle cartridge

 

[Azukki]

I disagree, Gibby. I think buffing what was previously pretty well balanced isn't as good of a solution as maintaining that balance by minorly nerfing the slightly unbalanced additions.
Also, I think 10 points of damage makes a bigger difference than you think. That's what the current difference between the M4 and AK is.

How to nerf them though? Well, .45acp isn't particularly momentum-efficient, and 7.92x33 kurz is pretty uncommon these days. Increasing thompson's recoil and MKb's ammo costs would be suitable, I think.

But, other perks are getting stronger with their new additions, so maybe a general buff to the old assault rifles would be okay. 10pts dmg is too much, though. Maybe cheapen AK ammo, lighten the bullpup, and reduce M4 recoil? Or a damage buff of just 5?


Amber, what's really silly is that .45 is over twice as powerful when fired from the MK23's shorter barrel. I guess it could be using +P JHP or something, though.

 

[C_Gibby]

I'm all for making the puppy weigh 5 and reducing recoil of M4, I'll tell ya that.

Making AK ammo even cheaper wouldn't be a bad idea either. That makes it "the" gun to have, no matter what's happening in the game.

 

[Islidox]

In all honesty, the Thompson should've been a Firebug weapon due to the fact that Commandos use assault rifles with rifle rounds and the Firebug utilizes a SMG (Mac10) and the Thompson is a SMG using .45ACP pistol rounds. However this is neither here nor there.

In all honesty, the AK and MKB doesn't really have 1 advantage over the other than the fact that the MKB does better in ROF/recoil but is a wee bit more expensive. I personally don't use the M4 nor would I use the Thompson for that matter.

 

[Splatpope]

In all honesty, the Thompson should've been a Firebug weapon due to the fact that Commandos use assault rifles with rifle rounds and the Firebug utilizes a SMG (Mac10) and the Thompson is a SMG using .45ACP pistol rounds. However this is neither here nor there.

In all honesty, the AK and MKB doesn't really have 1 advantage over the other than the fact that the MKB does better in ROF/recoil but is a wee bit more expensive. I personally don't use the M4 nor would I use the Thompson for that matter.

it turns out everyone told ijc to make an incendiary thompson and all

and the thompson isnt incendiary now !

tripwire obviously didnt fail to implement the weapon so what sorcery is this ???


also those two guns are the only ones to not be dumb, useless gimmicks (cause scythe=claymore ofc)

nice uh ?

 

[Major Liability]

MKb and Thompson for me...

But really the only reason I use the MKb is for fun; I find SCAR and FAL to be the best commando loadout for all situations, period.

 

[masteriamamind]

Mkb4s recoil and high rate of fire causes me to misplace more shots than with the AK47.

AK47 for me(plus its free@6)

Thompson beats the hell out of the M4 at medium to close range.

Thompson all the way


Combine the Thompson + Scar L = OPTIONS
not overpowered just a more of a Utility load out. The FN FAL needs to drop the scope and get a bigger mag (45-50).

 

[Spicy]

i would agree with this, i find it kind of silly that a .45ACP pistol round is more powerful than a 5.56 rifle cartridge

It's because you're not accounting for inflation, Amber. That's 67 years between 1945 and 2012. Similar to how monetary inflation works, those old WW2-era pistol rounds have, in reality, only grown in their zombie-killing strength.

 

[masteriamamind]

It's because you're not accounting for inflation, Amber. That's 67 years between 1945 and 2012. Similar to how monetary inflation works, those old WW2-era pistol rounds have, in reality, only grown in their zombie-killing strength.

A friend of mine has a collectors license. He has many old war firearms. The surplus ammo for those weapons have more gun powder than the modern equivalent.

 

[Spicy]

A friend of mine has a collectors license. He has many old war firearms. The surplus ammo for those weapons have more gun powder than the modern equivalent.

I was just being sarcastic but that's a pretty cool factoid.

 

[Trotskygrad]

giving the FAL a larger mag could be potentially interesting.

Though me being the horrible communazi I am, I roll MKb/AK to patty round.