RO2 MG42, PzIII, T70 on the way

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Großadmial Thrawn

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man... it's really funny to see "what the Germans get one MG more... we only have one SMG (which can be used by more classes than the MGs) more then them unfair! We want this and that!"... can be all please calm down? and if e.g. there are proposals to reduce the MPs on German side but not for fairness the MGs on Russian side (the German infantry doctrine was more or less based on the use of the Universalmaschinengewehre) "nono no realsim"... it's just the typical "we want more for us and if the other no or something to compensate! The Russians had more of this and that... (yeah but the Germans also had less soldiers so that from a procentual view it could be around the same btw)"...
 

Panzer Jager '43

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Sure it's not an SVT? It's really hard to tell between the two. The same image also has descriptions which call it SVT.
 
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The Chocolate Jesus

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MkB42, PPS43, and AVT40 were not in Stalingrad, but MG42 was in VERY small numbers (according to a unit formation card) and G41W is shown in a few pictures.

For G41, this picture is from a series of photos that are quite popular of a German squad fighting in the factories: (Man crouching on the right)

Spoiler!


Aside from this, the game is now expanding beyond Stalingrad with some of the newer maps released, where some of those rare weapons would atleast have more chance of being used.

Seeing as Tripwire did make the PPS43 for the Russians recently, I don't understand why TovarishTony is complaining they are going to give the Germans an extra gun now... how can one complain about MORE GUNS? :D

Got a question regarding the photo. Is that only one squad or something or two combined? I wonder whether the men shown are a combat group fighting on it's own or did they join together? Does anybody know?
 

Panzer Jager '43

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Got a question regarding the photo. Is that only one squad or something or two combined? I wonder whether the men shown are a combat group fighting on it's own or did they join together? Does anybody know?

I am not sure of the story behind that unit, but it's likely the remnants of some Infantry platoon or company after hard fighting. I can count about 19 - 20 helmets but there are possibly more behind; this would imply just over 2 squads in terms of strength. Often in Stalingrad the Germans went into combat with extremely understrength units, and as the battle went on, the trained soldiers were replaced with other men in their company who were just cooks, drivers etc.. with no combat experience and little training. Very small units going into battle with little experience led to disaster.
 
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Sure it's not an SVT? It's really hard to tell between the two. The same image also has descriptions which call it SVT.
I think I can see a little bit of the muzzle break's vents and it seems, that the rifle indeed is an AVT-40. Here is a picture where you can compare the rifles; SVT-40 on top and AVT-40 below:
http://jaegerplatoon.net/SVT40.jpg[url]http://jaegerplatoon.net/SVT40.jpg[/URL]

I managed to find some production numbers of SVT/AVT rifles from here:
[url]http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?359637-SVT-38-amp-SVT-40-makers-and-years-of-production[/URL]
It seems that there were a plenty of AVTs manufactured before the battle of Stalingrad. The first rifles came out of production line in July.
 

Panzer Jager '43

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I think I can see a little bit of the muzzle break's vents and it seems, that the rifle indeed is an AVT-40. Here is a picture where you can compare the rifles; SVT-40 on top and AVT-40 below:
http://jaegerplatoon.net/SVT40.jpg[url]http://jaegerplatoon.net/SVT40.jpg[/URL]

I managed to find some production numbers of SVT/AVT rifles from here:
[url]http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?359637-SVT-38-amp-SVT-40-makers-and-years-of-production[/URL]
It seems that there were a plenty of AVTs manufactured before the battle of Stalingrad. The first rifles came out of production line in July.

SVT40 can have same muzzle brake. Early / late.

svt_muzzle_breaks.jpg


Your link also says production numbers only for 1943, for AVT 40 ;)
 
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shooter77

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SVT40 can have same muzzle brake. Early / late.

svt_muzzle_breaks.jpg


Your link also says production numbers only for 1943, for AVT 40 ;)

I thought it was only for 1943 as well, but look again at "Mednogorsk No.314" in 1942, it has some AVT figures too. It wasn't that rare, in 1942, a little (about 10,000) over G41(W) figures. But it was a terrible weapon in full auto, making them go as far as prohibit the automatic fire on AVTs.
 

The Chocolate Jesus

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I am not sure of the story behind that unit, but it's likely the remnants of some Infantry platoon or company after hard fighting. I can count about 19 - 20 helmets but there are possibly more behind; this would imply just over 2 squads in terms of strength. Often in Stalingrad the Germans went into combat with extremely understrength units, and as the battle went on, the trained soldiers were replaced with other men in their company who were just cooks, drivers etc.. with no combat experience and little training. Very small units going into battle with little experience led to disaster.

Alright. I kinda thought it would be a thrown together group of soldiers.
 

Panzer Jager '43

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I thought it was only for 1943 as well, but look again at "Mednogorsk No.314" in 1942, it has some AVT figures too. It wasn't that rare, in 1942, a little (about 10,000) over G41(W) figures. But it was a terrible weapon in full auto, making them go as far as prohibit the automatic fire on AVTs.

Ah yes, I see that now (it's difficult to identify it.) It says the total for 1942 is 170,000....
 
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SVT40 can have same muzzle brake.
I thought that the new muzzle brake was introduced at the same time as the AVT-40 and the SVT's with it were results of later repairs. Some sources agree with that, others not. But even if that would be true, who says that the rifle in the picture be SVT-40 repaired with an "AVT" muzzle break? So it still can be either one of those, it just didn't come to my mind at the minute I posted my reply :D

But still, there were quite an amount of AVT-40s manufactured before the Battle of Stalingrad ended and at least I think it's likely that those were used in Stalingrad.
 

shooter77

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What exactly do you claim to have "won"? And how is the AKT-40 (whatever that is) relevant? When I type it into google I get pictures of naked women, perhaps you confused your folders.. :p
 

Cpt-Praxius

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Oh my sweet jebus....


TW if there is anything to take from all of this and all of RO2 since launch is this:


If you decide to make an RO3, don't put any dates into the game. You may even want to steer away from specific battles and make off-shot battles that were similar.


That way we can all avoid this historical d*ck measuring and if you add something into the game, people can't start complaining "Wait a minute, there were only 67.2 of those made, they weren't issued to troops until July 3rd, 1939 at 9:13am..... It was overcast and they weren't used in this specific battle over who ate the last potato."


FFS people..... IT'S A VIDEO GAME!
 

seienchin88

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FFS people..... IT'S A VIDEO GAME!
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So what? I dont get what you are trying to say?
RO2 is focussing on "realistic" gameplay. Its not an arcade shooter. Tripwire might even loose some of its fanbase if they make RO3 more arcady. Remember the die hard Ro1 players hating on Ro2. You might think its crazy but from an economical point of view it is definitly not trivial.
Of course tripwire had to make a compromise with many stats to balance both games but since the launch RS has come out and showed that asymetrichal gameplay does work. This will influence HoS very much in the future. New german MG, new russian SMG and tanks that are totally different are the firs step. ;)
 
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Cpt-Praxius

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So what? I dont get what you are trying to say?
RO2 is focussing on "realistic" gameplay. Its not an arcade shooter. Tripwire might even loose some of its fanbase if they make RO3 more arcady. Remember the die hard Ro1 players hating on Ro2. You might think its crazy but from an economical point of view it is definitly not trivial.


I never said to make the game arcadey, I suggested that dates be removed from the game's description or to not focus so heavily towards a specific part of an overall conflict. As an example: "Stalingrad" focuses the game towards specific battles during a specific time frame, which is causing all this pointless bickering between people in here regarding "The MkB42 wasn't in Stalingrad.... The MG42 wasn't in Stalingrad..... This weapon was rare, that weapon was only produced in small numbers..... This weapon wasn't given to the troops in time for this specific battle.... Blah blah blah."


You know what all of this sounds like?


A bunch of Star Trek and Star Wars fanatics bickering over death stars and tricorders, trying to out show the other guy about how much they know about something they will never truly be a part of except in their own imagination.


FFS, we have people in here complaining about a weapon being in a video game which isn't realistic because they didn't see a black and white photo of it being used, signed and dated to satisfy their omnipotent standards of purity in a video game.


It, by their standards, wasn't in Stalingrad, therefore it shouldn't be in the video game and ruins their precious immersion.


Hell if they want to get that upset over what the game title describes, they best not Google "Red Orchestra" in the historical sense because their friggin brains might explode when they realize their entire RO Eastern Front Experience is based on espionage and resistance groups within Berlin to thwart the Nazi Regime.


Yes, RO does take a strong focus towards "Realism" but it is not and never was intended to be a Simulator. Within the scope of a Video Game, rules and historical details can and will be bent. If these people can't accept that, then I think they got into RO for all the wrong reasons.


All I am saying is that if you just leave the Title "Red Orchestra 3" and that's all, then you allow for more flexibility with which battles can be focused on (real or imaginary - Danzig / Apartments) and you can bring in just about any weapon that was used in WWII without people bickering and moaning over something being brought into the game from 1943 or 44.


RO1 didn't have much of a problem as it was dated 41-45.


ROCA had no dates and could (and did) have a wide scope of content and battles to choose from.

Of course tripwire had to make a compromise with many stats to balance both games but since the launch RS has come out and showed that asymetrichal gameplay does work. This will influence HoS very much in the future. New german MG, new russian SMG and tanks that are totally different are the firs step. ;)



Some may think the asymmetric RS gameplay works..... I don't. Then again, I don't like RS all that much.


I personally don't care if the PIII and T70 don't balance perfectly to one another. I also don't care of the Germans get yet another MG while the Russians are stuck with the DP. Like in past RO's I make due with what I got and I still do well. I just need one bullet to go into the spot I want it to go into and that MG42 becomes useless.


My issue earlier was that I know many in this community have been complaining about how most players pick the Germans over the Russians. I personally pick who is attacking over who is defending.


What I was saying earlier is that these same people will also have an issue in seeing the MG42 and PIII as yet another bonus for the German side of the game.
 

Nestor Makhno

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There was a really good jpg about realism trolls in RO once upon a time, I wish I could find it.

Anyone who has it, please repost. The one about the number of rivets on the back of a Pz IV or somesuch. It was class - pure comedy gold.
 

Frostedfire

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There was a really good jpg about realism trolls in RO once upon a time, I wish I could find it.

Anyone who has it, please repost. The one about the number of rivets on the back of a Pz IV or somesuch. It was class - pure comedy gold.

and then the realism trolls shopped it during the inb4reset period and said how they would have saved the game :rolleyes:

edit: I found one of the mkb threads in my searching, some good nostalgia
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ro2player

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I never said to make the game arcadey, I suggested that dates be removed from the game's description or to not focus so heavily towards a specific part of an overall conflict. As an example: "Stalingrad" focuses the game towards specific battles during a specific time frame, which is causing all this pointless bickering between people in here regarding "The MkB42 wasn't in Stalingrad.... The MG42 wasn't in Stalingrad..... This weapon was rare, that weapon was only produced in small numbers..... This weapon wasn't given to the troops in time for this specific battle.... Blah blah blah."


You know what all of this sounds like?


A bunch of Star Trek and Star Wars fanatics bickering over death stars and tricorders, trying to out show the other guy about how much they know about something they will never truly be a part of except in their own imagination.


FFS, we have people in here complaining about a weapon being in a video game which isn't realistic because they didn't see a black and white photo of it being used, signed and dated to satisfy their omnipotent standards of purity in a video game.


It, by their standards, wasn't in Stalingrad, therefore it shouldn't be in the video game and ruins their precious immersion.


Hell if they want to get that upset over what the game title describes, they best not Google "Red Orchestra" in the historical sense because their friggin brains might explode when they realize their entire RO Eastern Front Experience is based on espionage and resistance groups within Berlin to thwart the Nazi Regime.


Yes, RO does take a strong focus towards "Realism" but it is not and never was intended to be a Simulator. Within the scope of a Video Game, rules and historical details can and will be bent. If these people can't accept that, then I think they got into RO for all the wrong reasons.


All I am saying is that if you just leave the Title "Red Orchestra 3" and that's all, then you allow for more flexibility with which battles can be focused on (real or imaginary - Danzig / Apartments) and you can bring in just about any weapon that was used in WWII without people bickering and moaning over something being brought into the game from 1943 or 44.


RO1 didn't have much of a problem as it was dated 41-45.


ROCA had no dates and could (and did) have a wide scope of content and battles to choose from.





Some may think the asymmetric RS gameplay works..... I don't. Then again, I don't like RS all that much.


I personally don't care if the PIII and T70 don't balance perfectly to one another. I also don't care of the Germans get yet another MG while the Russians are stuck with the DP. Like in past RO's I make due with what I got and I still do well. I just need one bullet to go into the spot I want it to go into and that MG42 becomes useless.


My issue earlier was that I know many in this community have been complaining about how most players pick the Germans over the Russians. I personally pick who is attacking over who is defending.


What I was saying earlier is that these same people will also have an issue in seeing the MG42 and PIII as yet another bonus for the German side of the game.

Problem is : WHY DO YOU THINK MIDDLE WAR PERIOD IS REALLY BORING ??


Hell if they want to get that upset over what the game title describes, they best not Google "Red Orchestra" in the historical sense because their friggin brains might explode when they realize their entire RO Eastern Front Experience is based on espionage and resistance groups within Berlin to thwart the Nazi Regime.

Red orchestra was an Antinazi resistance groups within Berlin ... from 41 to 43. All the spies have been killed in early 43.
Another come later. Black orchestra (spies who tried to kill Hitler) is inspirated from Red Orchestra.

If you want a late war game, call it "BLACK orchestra", And not "Red orchestra".

Red Orchestra is link to Operation Barbarossa, in june 41. Because German spies of Red Orchestra send the day of attack of Axis to Stalin in Moscow. Intent to call the game Red Orchestra is heavily link to the job of these spy in the Barbarossa operation period.

I don't think middle war period (and also early war period ) are so boring.
 
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