RO2 MG42, PzIII, T70 on the way

[chuy]

I won't answer shooter77 because Nestor asked me to not continue this dialog, but i want to know why he can continue while i cant.

Yea, im asking myself that too. Why should he give you a warning when the other guy that is rambling too can still ramble.

 

[seienchin88]

I'm just going to wade past all of the historical technobabble of what is what and when what was used where.

In the gameplay sense of things.... that is in RO2.... one of the advantages the T34 was to have against the PIV was it's speed/mobility

In a similar sense, the T70 is supposed to also be a bit more zippy than the PIII, thus an advantage in balance to the PIII's bigger gun or better armour.

The problem is and always has been this:

In very few of the current RO2 maps can the T34 or the T70 actually use this speed to its advantage due to small map sizes or too many objects/debris in the way. If they can get up to speed, it's on maps that are pretty wide open and they can still be leaded and picked off with a couple of rounds from a great distance away.

Gameplay-wise, I've never noticed much of a huge difference in the T34's speed compared to the PIV's. The T34 accelerates a bit faster and I do see the speedometer move a notch higher than the PIV, but it's not really anything to write home about.

New vehicles are always a good thing in my books, but exactly how are the T70's and PIII's going to be balanced in the game?

Perhaps "Balanced" isn't the right term..... How are they going to "Function" in the game against each other?

I believe the devs designed the T34 and PIV to be that the PIV was packing more punch and had better armour than the T34 while the T34 had speed and a few other options to its disposal.

Now we are going to have the PIII and the T70 where it seems as though the favor still leans towards the Germans having more armour and firepower than the Russians.

The Russian's troop transport carries 4 passengers, while the German's half-track is scheduled to be able to carry 6 in an upcoming patch.

And with the Russian's still stuck with the DP-28 against the German's MG-34, and now the Germans will be getting the MG-42, I don't see much coming along to help with the "I want to use the German's cooler, better stuff" attitude in the game.

Adding the PPSH doesn't really help balance out the "Cool Equipment" factor.

Again, with the 2 man turret a T34 probably didnt have a "mobility" bonus against other tanks in the sense that he was very mobile while shooting. That would be again a really tough thing to pull of in any tank but with less overview it would be even harder.
In speed it had around 15kmh advantage on Pz4 right? That would make indeed a bigger impact on deployment on bigger maps.
T70 was slower than T34 and only slightly faster than panzer 3 or 4.

I completly agree on the soviets needed an comparative advantage in some weapon class. Reducing mp 40s in german teams might help or the addition of flamethrowers but we all know if that happens the community would go crazy until the germans get them too.
What would be your suggestions to make the russians cooler?

 

[Nestor Makhno]

Again, with the 2 man turret a T34 probably didnt have a "mobility" bonus against other tanks in the sense that he was very mobile while shooting. That would be again a really tough thing to pull of in any tank but with less overview it would be even harder.
In speed it had around 15kmh advantage on Pz4 right? That would make indeed a bigger impact on deployment on bigger maps.
T70 was slower than T34 and only slightly faster than panzer 3 or 4.

I completly agree on the soviets needed an comparative advantage in some weapon class. Reducing mp 40s in german teams might help or the addition of flamethrowers but we all know if that happens the community would go crazy until the germans get them too.
What would be your suggestions to make the russians cooler?

Ampulomet?

 

[chuy]

Again, with the 2 man turret a T34 probably didnt have a "mobility" bonus against other tanks in the sense that he was very mobile while shooting. That would be again a really tough thing to pull of in any tank but with less overview it would be even harder.
In speed it had around 15kmh advantage on Pz4 right? That would make indeed a bigger impact on deployment on bigger maps.
T70 was slower than T34 and only slightly faster than panzer 3 or 4.

I completly agree on the soviets needed an comparative advantage in some weapon class. Reducing mp 40s in german teams might help or the addition of flamethrowers but we all know if that happens the community would go crazy until the germans get them too.
What would be your suggestions to make the russians cooler?

KV-2's I think they were in stalingrad period (went into service 1940) but not sure if actually used in any battles near stalingrad. I heard these tanks were used in the finnish front... But if it were possible, that 152mm howitzer would throw some nice explosions at the germans

 

[seienchin88]

Ampulomet?

Yeah! Might work!! Less refined than knee mortars and pretty innacurate but deadly and used at stalingrad.
When tripwire then adds flamethrowers for both factions we would have even more awesome urban warfare.
Just adding a kv wont help i think. Only one guy can be Tanker with maybe 1-2 crewmen (not always Happening). A class of riflemen with improvised ampulomet mortars would interest more Players i think.

 

[K98-Schütze[GER]]

I was reading through this thread....

....damn - I am in a CoD forum?

Who has the biggest xy , the Red Army or the Wehrmacht?



Seriously, both sides had/have deadly weapons.
Some are better in their timeframe, some not. On all sides.
For me the add of the Pz III and the T70 add more flavour and at least - BEREZINA '41 :IS2: possibilities.

I am glad to see new stuff coming soon. With the "earlier" things maybe soon RO2 will get at last some Ostfront atmosphere and maybe some following maps.

 

[seienchin88]

"Earlier" what do you mean? T-70 is later than t34 and panzer 3 is around same time as panzer 4
Maybe CoD would place the t-70 in 1941 but tripwire wont.

 

[K98-Schütze[GER]]

Yes I know, and guess what - I also know that the MG42 is not '41 ->

I mean it in common ways.
The Pz III, the SdKfz 251.....sooner or later it all goes to BEREZINA (so my hope).


EDIT:
Combined Arms love

 

[Großadmial Thrawn]

I still want to see some cool gadgets the soviets had like molotovs and PTRD's to be added to the game though.

Currently we have the PRTS which afaik is the Semi Automatic cousin of the PTRD and Brandflaschen (Burning Flasks) were also used by the Germans

KV-2's I think they were in stalingrad period (went into service 1940) but not sure if actually used in any battles near stalingrad. I heard these tanks were used in the finnish front... But if it were possible, that 152mm howitzer would throw some nice explosions at the germans

yeah... i can see already what maps Allied Players would constantly vote... the ones where their nearly impervious KV-2 is and where they can blow up every defense with a single shell... who needs engineers if he can just blow up all tank traps with his gun... if we had Anti-Tank Guns... a Tiger to counter it... (as we already cleared they were in use in the Operation Winter Storm)... and the KV-2 was (compared to other Russian Tanks and even the KV-1) more or less as Rare as the Tigers... afterall only 300 were built in the whole time

 

[Marsalkka Mahtimeisseli]

KV-2's I think they were in stalingrad period (went into service 1940) but not sure if actually used in any battles near stalingrad. I heard these tanks were used in the finnish front... But if it were possible, that 152mm howitzer would throw some nice explosions at the germans

From what I've read, only one KV-2 was used (and destroyed) in the Finnish front during the Operation Barbarossa -period. This happened in Alakurtti, Russia, where Finns blew the tank up with 60kg of TNT. Also 4 prototype/first production KV-2 tanks were used in the Winter War against Finnish bunkers in the village of Summa in February of 1940, well before Germans and Soviets were against each other.

And about the announcement: It's nice that Tripwire hasn't completely forgotten RO2 and it's fans, even though they are working on another projects too. People have waited those light tanks over 2 and a half years and it's better late than never. MG-42 is also a good addition to the armament, though only a few, if any, were used in Stalingrad. Still, it's more likely that MG-42 saw some action in there than the PPS-42 and Mkb 42.

 

[K98-Schütze[GER]]

KV 2 tank?
Hmmm...I remember some old fotos of my family.
It was captured or destroyed as the father of my grandfather fought at Sewastopol and could make some picture of this monster.

 

[seienchin88]

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[Großadmial Thrawn]

KV 2 tank?
Hmmm...I remember some old fotos of my family.
It was captured or destroyed as the father of my grandfather fought at Sewastopol and could make some picture of this monster.

yeah germans captured some KV-2 and used them as Spotter Tanks for their Artillery due to their height

 

[K98-Schütze[GER]]

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[aaz777]

All KV2 were lost by Red Army at winter 41-42.

 

[Bunny monster]

What we need are more small arms and maybe destructible environment thats what is needed just imagine red orchestra with Frostbite engine.

 

[ro2player]

There was a case at 1944 when T70 atacked 2 panters from side on the road and destroyed them. All german tanks, including heavy and even super heavy maus were with benzin engines, german armor in 1944 became disgusting and so on.

During war, T70 crew were terrorized by Panther, Tiger etc...

So panther is worst tank on ww2 ? ...I don't think so. And T 70 is really great to middle and heavy tank hunting ?...I don't think so.

Be realist.

Panther and Tiger are war machines. I am not sure Panther and Tiger crew were terrorized by T70 as T 70 were terrorized by Panther and Tiger.

MG-42 is also a good addition to the armament, though only a few, if any, were used in Stalingrad. Still, it's more likely that MG-42 saw some action in there than the PPS-42 and Mkb 42.

Few MG 42 were used in Stalingrad. It's good to see MG 42 join the party. As it's good to see Panzer III and T 70 !!

- They are time appropriate for 1941 leading up to and including the Stalingrad campaign. It opens up more early war scenarios without adding a bunch of weapons that later date scenarios may need.

Moe, I am Agree with your point.

Barbarossa and Typhoon can be performed more easily than late war operations.
Ok, there are few errors for 1941 (Mkb 42, MG 42) but this direction (middle war period) is more realist and more historic than late war period. Just my opinion of gamer.

 

[Großadmial Thrawn]

interesting information... how many T-70 had it been? 4? 40? 100? And the Panther is known to have had a (compared to it's front armour) quite weak side armor... while the Tiger had 100mm Frontal but 80mm on the sides and back.... as much as a Panzer IV on the front... so the Tiger was more easy to destroy frontally but much more difficult to destroy from the side and back

For the Benzin engine... hmm... they had problems with getting enough fuel and Diesel was reserved for the Kriegsmarine... what would you have used if Diesel was not available? Sugar? Most versions of the M4 Sherman also did also run on gasoline, Benzin, so had those tanks also been "disgusting"?

 

[Gudenrath]

Hopefully they will reintroduce the RO1 mg hipfire system alongside the mg42 (which means you can't hipfire at all with the mg42).

 

[Großadmial Thrawn]

afaik (sry if its wrong) it actually got used from a hip fire position to give a little bit of fire support during an attack and surpress the enemy until you could bring it into position somewhere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B57dW3A-DT0

but i'd say you shouldn't be able to run while firing