Yeah but it's kindof arbitrary. I just don't think we should think too hard about the exact value, since 90, 70, or 60; it'll kill you in 1-2 COM shots, so the exact value isn't so much an issue.
RO2 MG42, PzIII, T70 on the way
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Cpt-Praxius
Few answers :
- a "whole Eastern Front period" ? But it's a Crypto-Late war period game you are talking ! If you want Eastern Front period, so you are talking about late war period...
No. I disagree.
Middle war (1941 42) period is - as said Zetsumei - the perfect symetrical conflit inside ww2, and inside ww2 itself : inside eastern front. Middle war period (1941 42) is inside Eastern front and so inside ww2 the perfect symetrical conflit in its most "equilibrated" form.
A lot of game created generation of guys complained about their Tiger, Panzerfaust, Stg 44, etc etc etc.
I don't deny you had fun in ROCA and RO Ostfront.
I don't want to attack you.
But remenber middle war period CAN be loved as anothers loves late war period. ( There are so things to discover inside Middle war period )
Remenber : a game who is a "whole Eastern Front period" is mainly a crytpo-late war period game...
- No. East front is linked either to Middle war (1941 42) or either to late war period (1943 1945).
( In another side : a "proto East Front" can be see in the war between Finland and Russia from 1939 to 1940.
if you want to say there is an early period in East Front, it's the only way to be right.
But East Front start in June 1941.)
East Front in early period doesn't exist. There is NO early period in East Front. ( again : except if you mean the war between Finland and Russia. )
...you mean two and not three ?
Or I will be surprise to learn war period is 9 years.
But - in another side - remenber WW2 start december 7 1941.
Before it's war betwen Germany and West Allies.
Ww2 starts in 1941. ( because we see now the war retropectively )
War becomes world war with Usa and Japan actions.
- Action mode Exist in the goal to create specialist for RO 2.
See theses part as introduction to the actual RO 2.
Don't see offense against Action players.
RO 2 is game for specialists.
A casual can play it. It's doesn't make RO 2 a casual game.
Don't see the game by the players. But the opposite. See the players by the game ! (It's my view on RO 2)
-I just try to defend a position. - where and when this position need to be defended.
But RO 2 works with History. One force of RO 2 is its closeness with History.
-It's your right. Me also I love RO 2 as a Game (and playable game...) But it's a Game who is not just a Game. It's why I defend RO 2 outside of the "pure" gameplay. Because it's ALSO important than the gameplay itself.
Cheers Cpt-Praxius - thank you for you answers.
Ro2player
- As you said, mrsirr, MG 42 is NOT a late war period weapon.
It's a MIDDLE war period weapon. (and was in few number active inside Stalingrad)
Few answers :
- a "whole Eastern Front period" ? But it's a Crypto-Late war period game you are talking ! If you want Eastern Front period, so you are talking about late war period...
No. I disagree.
Middle war (1941 42) period is - as said Zetsumei - the perfect symetrical conflit inside ww2, and inside ww2 itself : inside eastern front. Middle war period (1941 42) is inside Eastern front and so inside ww2 the perfect symetrical conflit in its most "equilibrated" form.
A lot of game created generation of guys complained about their Tiger, Panzerfaust, Stg 44, etc etc etc.
I don't deny you had fun in ROCA and RO Ostfront.
I don't want to attack you.
But remenber middle war period CAN be loved as anothers loves late war period. ( There are so things to discover inside Middle war period )
Remenber : a game who is a "whole Eastern Front period" is mainly a crytpo-late war period game...
- No. East front is linked either to Middle war (1941 42) or either to late war period (1943 1945).
( In another side : a "proto East Front" can be see in the war between Finland and Russia from 1939 to 1940.
if you want to say there is an early period in East Front, it's the only way to be right.
But East Front start in June 1941.)
East Front in early period doesn't exist. There is NO early period in East Front. ( again : except if you mean the war between Finland and Russia. )
...you mean two and not three ?
Or I will be surprise to learn war period is 9 years.
But - in another side - remenber WW2 start december 7 1941.
Before it's war betwen Germany and West Allies.
Ww2 starts in 1941. ( because we see now the war retropectively )
War becomes world war with Usa and Japan actions.
- Action mode Exist in the goal to create specialist for RO 2.
See theses part as introduction to the actual RO 2.
Don't see offense against Action players.
RO 2 is game for specialists.
A casual can play it. It's doesn't make RO 2 a casual game.
Don't see the game by the players. But the opposite. See the players by the game ! (It's my view on RO 2)
-I just try to defend a position. - where and when this position need to be defended.
But RO 2 works with History. One force of RO 2 is its closeness with History.
-It's your right. Me also I love RO 2 as a Game (and playable game...) But it's a Game who is not just a Game. It's why I defend RO 2 outside of the "pure" gameplay. Because it's ALSO important than the gameplay itself.
Cheers Cpt-Praxius - thank you for you answers.
Ro2player
- As you said, mrsirr, MG 42 is NOT a late war period weapon.
It's a MIDDLE war period weapon. (and was in few number active inside Stalingrad)
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What the hell? I bet you havent played the original Ro Mod or the first Standalone! All your posts are the same, sorry to say that but every posts includes the same statements (late war period, middle war period etc.)
Yeah, if he can't get what I'm trying to say by now and wants to twist what I posted to mean something completely different, then there's no help.
But yeah, I did screw up my years thing.... first two, middle two and last two years.... not three.
I never said I hated "Middle War" period.... RO2 is my second favorite RO out of the three I've played (ROCA being be best). I enjoy what is already in RO2 as it is, but I would also like to experience all of the eras of 41-45 of the Eastern Front like I did in the previous RO's. It simply adds more variety and again, reduces the amount of people complaining about this or that weapon being in the game or not.
.... That's it.... that's all I've been trying to say.
Sheish
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I matters in regards to where the round hits someone as the damage will be different depending on wether you hit a limb, stomach, upper torso or head.
Yeah that's true, although it still doesn't matter much to me since we can't say "well realisticly it would take X amount of shots" since in reality it can anywhere from 1 to. . . twenty something is the highest I know of.
Guys guys guys, all this aguring acomplishes nothing, the important thing here is that the T-70 is clearly the sexiest of the two tanks.
Indeed, however in order to properly simulate the significantly greater damage done by the assault rifle round as compared to any pistol round, I believe it would be appropiate to give such rounds (AR rounds) a damage value which is closer to that of the full power rifle rounds rather than the pistol rounds ingame = 85 dmg instead of 70.
Then we would have base damage values of 50 (Pistol) 85 (AR) 115 (Rifle).
This translates to a jump of 35 in damage from pistol rounds to AR rounds and 30 from AR rounds to full power rifle rounds.
These are far more realistic increases in damage pr. round type than the mere 20 damage jump from pistol to AR rounds and the massive 45 damage jump from AR to full power rifle rounds.
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I thought this will create 3 pages of flaming but I was wrong.
I agree though. The T-70 looks better from the front. The back of Pz 3 is much sexier
Cpt-Praxius,
What you also loved is variety. RO 2 use another kind of variety - a variety who is disliked.
The only way I can join you it's too see early and middle war weapons and vehicles in RO 2.
RO 2 is symetrical battlefield. Anothers RO are less symetrical due to late war period. Adding MG 42 i a good thing ! MG 42 was in Stalingrad. There are a lot of weapons (I mean of early and middle war) if you want...
TheMarshal
Maybe. I don't talk about early and middle war period in each of my posts.
( Please watch this post, about question of number of crew in Sdkfz 251 :
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?p=1323997#post1323997
Here I don't talk about middle war or late war period... )
I don't think you are totally right. It's a good place to talk about middle war and early war period, no ? And I prefer to talk about early period, middle war period THAN to not talk about it.
Let's wait weapons and tanks of Middle war period to have fun !
MG sounds sexy ! - I am waitning for the little music of MG 42 ! Let's make dance the russians !
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Twrecks,
You make an interresting point.
So : it possible to shoot stationary with MG 42, but not to move and shoot with MG 42 ?
I think :
With Mkb42 prone would be delete : because it s more hard to shoot in prone position with Mkb42.
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I thought this will create 3 pages of flaming but I was wrong.
I agree though. The T-70 looks better from the front. The back of Pz 3 is much sexier
I think the T70 would indeed look better if not for that asymmetrically placed turret sitting more to its left side instead of center.
Symetrical?? Its always a matter how the game would be balanced if new weapons and vehicles would be introduced. Just take a look on Darkest Hour, german armory vs allied armory. It was pretty good balanced and even with the worst sherman you could take out the Kingtiger etc. Its only a matter of tactics and teamplay. So pls dont talk always the same .......
Sorry, but best symetrical battlefield is certainly not on westfront...
Best symetrical battlefield can be found in Eastern front.
If I were to code the MG42, players would be forced to be stationary when firing. It could still be used for CQC, just not as Rambo as the MG34 which allows players to run-n-gun.
And to those complaining about MG's being too accurate hip fired at close range. Pfft, get real. It's the high ROF and spread that makes MG's effective (like a shotgun). 15-20 rounds per second, each @ 740 m/s, in a 1 meter square at 5 meters distance is not "unrealistic".
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See this is just where we disagree. My findings over the years don't give me any reason to believe that all rifle rounds are superior to all handgun rounds. The wound produced by 7.62 M43 is often described as "That of a handgun." Only now that they removed the steel core and slightly shortened the round does it yaw in tissue and produce fairly severe wounds.
But seriously dude, we're having this discussion on two threads at once; this is weird.
As a general rule any FMJ rifle round is more lethal than any FMJ pistol round, and that simply due to the much greater velocity of the rifle round. (i.e. don't go compare hollow point pistol rounds with FMJ rifle rounds)
The 7.92 S.m.E. round, whilst featuring a steel core (which isn't what affects yawing, that's the CoG), is shorter just like the newer AK round, featuring a very similarly located CoG.
Yeah, let's continue on the other one and leave it here.