On a somewhat related note... The Lafeyette tripod also had a periscope to allow it to be fired while the gunner was completely behind cover, and a telescopic sight. Why don't we have these in the game too?
RO2 MG42 needs a nerf
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I don't think anyone here is saying MG Rambo'ing is realistic. On the contrary, only that limited ability to do so is possible, and was in all probability done when conditions required it.
What is being put forward here is that player movement be reduced while hip firing, and a second mouse click required to "deploy from hip", thereby "nerfing" all LMGs for CQC in a manner suitable to the game's current mechanics.
Besides, it's not like anyone here has a say in what TWI does, or doesn't do, or if they are even reading any of this or even care... Yoshiro made a comment last year, blah blah blah...
What is being put forward here is that player movement be reduced while hip firing, and a second mouse click required to "deploy from hip", thereby "nerfing" all LMGs for CQC in a manner suitable to the game's current mechanics.
Besides, it's not like anyone here has a say in what TWI does, or doesn't do, or if they are even reading any of this or even care... Yoshiro made a comment last year, blah blah blah...
No one is saying that firing with mg from the hip is better than firing it prone doh... The whole point is that you HAVE to be able to fire from the hip since there's not magic that blocks your trigger finger from doing so. I am running through a corridor with my MG42 in hands and an enemy shows up straight at me - what I am gonna do? I will pull the trigger right away, its a simple math. The guy is prolly with Mosin or something. I have higher chance to kill him with my MG than he has. Even if he has PPSh, my MG was already in position that gives me the ability to fire instantly, which means I will shoot first - my chance for survival is higher.
Also the recoil is not that big. Its there but its manageable. These days there are special ops teams and other branches that use LMGs as assault weapon. I've seen multiple times marines in Iraq breaching building and there's always a guy going in with M249 so apparently he's going to fire without using bipod or anything to lie his weapon (doh..).
Also the recoil is not that big. Its there but its manageable. These days there are special ops teams and other branches that use LMGs as assault weapon. I've seen multiple times marines in Iraq breaching building and there's always a guy going in with M249 so apparently he's going to fire without using bipod or anything to lie his weapon (doh..).
Movement is already pretty slow when hip firing, unless you're going to suggest the player stop to a halt it's pretty pointless making them slower as it's not the movement speed that is the issue to begin with it's the recoil which people don't want to change due to it being 'unrealistic' (eugh, a term that doesn't belong in gaming). When I hip fire I don't move I snipe the **** out of players, wouldn't making my movement slower or come to a complete stop increase my handling of the weapon and enable me to snipe more while firing from the hip? Increase the recoil if the player is moving, that way players can still survive if they come into a CQC situation and there's less snipe
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So you are saying that their should not be balance and germans should be better? That is just stupid, a game should be balanced. If you don't want that Russians can have axis weapons than Axis shouldn't have Russian weapons.
No we are not.
Many of the people posting here have for several years, in various threads, suggested and posted things such as an extra mouse click to simulate the heavier mg's being slower than small weapons such as smgs and pistols, so they are not always firing first and quicker. I believe that TWI also slowed down movement when firing to walk speed, at least in Classic and Classic Weapon Handling Settings. Not sure if it was done for Realism. The slower movement (at least for Classic) and the extra mouse click would all be to encourage more realistic behavior for those choosing to use MGs.
Its one of the reasons I prefer Classic or at least servers using the Classic Weapon handling. Still waiting for the long suggested extra mouse click.
If I recall correctly, didn't Ostfront have the click-before-fire?
I think it was Mare Nostrum for sure, it would solve a lot of problems.
There's one or two combat photos of Russians carrying MP40s in Stalingrad, but the problem with using captured LMGs or HMGs is that they expend ammunition at an unparalleled rate.
You mean more liike cherry picked facts of 2 yahoos? Wanna cherry pick, tell TW to modify that gun and add it to game then it will be realistic...
Exactly
Is there magic the blocks your trigger finger with AT rifle?
It was done in Realism as well.
Classic applies a higher recoil modifier for hip-fire (overall) though, which I wouldn't be against moving into Realism personally.
It isn't the clicking or the time to click that adds the delay, its the added delay that goes with the keystroke as far as the game is concerned.
The 14.5x114mm round has a muzzle energy of 31,700 joules. The 12.7x99mm (US .50) for comparison is 18,220 joules. The 7.92
Like IOM? Since you can't snipe with LMG's anymore (no zoom), you use them to suppress and deny the enemy at range as IRL. You can also still hipfire, but they lose accuracy up close, which is fine for last resort situations, just not for uber-smging like they are now. I prefer this to a second click personally.
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Simply add an extra mouse-click for all (!) MG's if you want run-n-gun.
That would change the Rambo style a lot in gameplay.
That would change the Rambo style a lot in gameplay.
You're absolutely right.
But not the Russians, and the Soviet people, possibly could so think.
It was a war, and in war there were many things that did not equal strength, I do not think you need to do everything on a level, you want to get a slight advantage of playing on the blue side.