I don't know if you have played RO 1, but the MG 42 had belt mags, which was a one-man machine gun "crew"
MG34 Belt Fed or Saddle Drum?
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I don't know if you have played RO 1, but the MG 42 had belt mags, which was a one-man machine gun "crew"
Belt would be really impractical to operate by one man regardless if it's holding 100 or 250 rounds.
I'm afraid it will be the saddle drum guys:
Is that a bayonet on the pre STG 44 prototype? -.-'
Yes, the Mkb42(H) could mount a bayonet, so no issues there - the real issue is you apparently can't take it off once you've unlocked it
From a stationary position it was often feed straight from a 250/200 rd belt box.Your right tho 150 was about the max you could carry around practically even then it was cumbersome.
Take a good look....in RO we have players running around with one of these and firing from the hip...even running with one is stepping over the line of non fiction to fiction, let alone firing it from the hip. I think anyone with an LMG should run at half speed and you should only beable to fire it either prone or on some kind of support.
As for the drum or belt...it should be belt...
However it could be used in that way... It's all a problem of space, agility and stamina... It was very heavy to carry around but you could still run with one of this... this game has many problems regarding stamina management...
In the same way its not like the bayonets were really affecting the soldiers' aim. The bayonet was detachable as precaution and weight of the rifle...
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Tripwire has gone too far...
And to everyone posting info about MG teams. Please stop I already know everything that you've posted. The reason you can't have MG crews ingame is because it wouldn't work.
Carrying a 100 - 150 belt and a MG isn't impossible.
To be honest its more realistic having a 1 man MG crew with a belt than having the Mkb42, AVT40, C96, MP40/II, Nagant Silencer and MG34 Saddle Drum. So you guys all saying "Its unrealistic" can seriously go suck a lemon.
And to everyone posting info about MG teams. Please stop I already know everything that you've posted. The reason you can't have MG crews ingame is because it wouldn't work.
Carrying a 100 - 150 belt and a MG isn't impossible.
To be honest its more realistic having a 1 man MG crew with a belt than having the Mkb42, AVT40, C96, MP40/II, Nagant Silencer and MG34 Saddle Drum. So you guys all saying "Its unrealistic" can seriously go suck a lemon.
im gonna use everyones favorite source of information and apparantly tripwires to.
"Ammunition boxes contained 250 rounds in five belts that were linked to make one continuous 100 round belt and one 150 round belt. The assault drums held a 50-round belt, or a 75-round "double drum" magazine could be used by replacing the top cover with one made specially for that purpose. A gun configured to use the 75-round magazine could not be returned to belt-feed mode without changing the top cover again. All magazine-feed MG 34s had been withdrawn from infantry use by 1941, with some remaining in use on armoured personnel carrier" Wikipedia <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_34" target="_blank"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_34" target="_blank"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_34" target="_blank">[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_34[/URL] 12/09/11 19:29 GMT +1
i belive that this just shows how retarded it would be to use the saddle drum that was mainly used for MG 15s on an MG 34 as you would have to completly change the top cover of the MG.
even if any of you can prove that its simple to do and that even a soldier in stalingrad could do it without risking to **** up his MG through having dust inside the machinery or loosing parts it still seems that the moddified top cover wasnt the most common part of equipment that was issued just incase that you got one of the by 1942 rare saddle drums.
and even if you were issued it, would you really put on something that would prevent you from using the beltfed and therefore prevent you from easely put down a large amount of led on the enemy just because you get 25 more rounds per drum?
"Ammunition boxes contained 250 rounds in five belts that were linked to make one continuous 100 round belt and one 150 round belt. The assault drums held a 50-round belt, or a 75-round "double drum" magazine could be used by replacing the top cover with one made specially for that purpose. A gun configured to use the 75-round magazine could not be returned to belt-feed mode without changing the top cover again. All magazine-feed MG 34s had been withdrawn from infantry use by 1941, with some remaining in use on armoured personnel carrier" Wikipedia <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_34" target="_blank"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_34" target="_blank"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_34" target="_blank">[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_34[/URL] 12/09/11 19:29 GMT +1
i belive that this just shows how retarded it would be to use the saddle drum that was mainly used for MG 15s on an MG 34 as you would have to completly change the top cover of the MG.
even if any of you can prove that its simple to do and that even a soldier in stalingrad could do it without risking to **** up his MG through having dust inside the machinery or loosing parts it still seems that the moddified top cover wasnt the most common part of equipment that was issued just incase that you got one of the by 1942 rare saddle drums.
and even if you were issued it, would you really put on something that would prevent you from using the beltfed and therefore prevent you from easely put down a large amount of led on the enemy just because you get 25 more rounds per drum?
The MG42 had a belt in RO1, and as a downside... you couldn't hip fire it. Not that it mattered much since the hilariously over the top recoil meant the MG34/DP were basically useless hipped. But still
I think the option to select either a drum or belt would be a nice feature. That would allow people to select based on current need. Drums for when hip fire may be needed, belts for static firing. They both saw a lot of use, at least during the early/mid stages of the conflict. Though by the end I gather the drum had pretty much disappeared.
Though I have to say, not so keen on the saddle drum...
I think the option to select either a drum or belt would be a nice feature. That would allow people to select based on current need. Drums for when hip fire may be needed, belts for static firing. They both saw a lot of use, at least during the early/mid stages of the conflict. Though by the end I gather the drum had pretty much disappeared.
Though I have to say, not so keen on the saddle drum...
The MG42 had a belt in RO1, and as a downside... you couldn't hip fire it. Not that it mattered much since the hilariously over the top recoil meant the MG34/DP were basically useless hipped. But still
I think the option to select either a drum or belt would be a nice feature. That would allow people to select based on current need. Drums for when hip fire may be needed, belts for static firing. They both saw a lot of use, at least during the early/mid stages of the conflict. Though by the end I gather the drum had pretty much disappeared.
Though I have to say, not so keen on the saddle drum...
See that would be a perfect idea. Belts but not being able to hip fire it. That way you can chose the Belt for open maps and drums for close combat maps. I would also love it if the MG42 had the same choice when its added in.
Let's see what happens gents, I have a feeling TWI will fix this particular issue in the future.
let the mg34 guy carry 100 rounds when equiped with belt but he cant hipfire then cause he wraps the belt around the gun when not deployed.
same thing with the mg42.
saddle drums are retarded and look like an unlock you would get if you were playing cod:waw (which i played but shouldnt ro2 be different, eh?)
same thing with the mg42.
saddle drums are retarded and look like an unlock you would get if you were playing cod:waw (which i played but shouldnt ro2 be different, eh?)
Here's a nice little video of shooting the MG42 from the hip: MG-42 sturmfeuer (assault fire) - YouTube
Sometimes when I hipfire the mg34 ingame, i wish it would be a bit more accurate at least out to 20 feet. In general if i'm in a room with a bad guy and hipfire half my drum at him- chances are at least 1 round is going to hit him.
Sometimes when I hipfire the mg34 ingame, i wish it would be a bit more accurate at least out to 20 feet. In general if i'm in a room with a bad guy and hipfire half my drum at him- chances are at least 1 round is going to hit him.
I'm also in favor of using a belt at the cost of mobility, hip firing and/or capacity carried. The saddle drum just seems silly to me. I can understand them wanting to have interesting items that people haven't seen before(Mkb42 for instance) to make the game stand out a bit here and there, but I question the practicality of it. Both options are unnatural for a one man crew but the belt feels like a more natural choice.
I'd also like to have the option of choosing what unlocks are on my weapon and would like to be able to affix the bayonet manually, but that's another can of worms entirely.
I'd also like to have the option of choosing what unlocks are on my weapon and would like to be able to affix the bayonet manually, but that's another can of worms entirely.
Dispite the saddle drum not being issued on a large scale for infantry, I would rather have that innacuracy than hamper the MGs fighting ability. With all of the improvements to MGing in RO2, I would choose not to use a belt if there were serious trade-offs to mobility and weapon handling. Sure it isn't as historically accurate to have large numbers of MG-34s with saddle drums, but compared to everything as a whole this (for me) is a small detail. Granted, I would love to have a sexy belt of ammo to wear around like bling, but if it has to come with downsides, I'd be willing to play without it.
LMGs/GPMs can be hip fired with relative ease.. though I can't imagine it'd be very effective while moving.
This! It is possible to shoulder-fire an MG-42, difficult yes, but not impossible. Besides, and MG-34 weighs ~30 lbs, while cumbersome it is hardly a work of fiction to run carrying 30 pounds. (granted that doesn't include ammo, but still hardly impossible)
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