yeah, thats why bands like metallica are so good. amazing lyrics with decent/good singing will beat out bad lyrics with bad singing any day. this judgment can be given merit by simply looking at the popularity of this new screaming/grunting (lol) style of metal and then comparing to the popularity of the old real metal.
Not sure what you define "lame" as (probabaly any grunting from what I've read in your posts) but if you take a look at bands such as Opeth and Trivium (two of my favourites) you will notiuce that their singers do have an excellent, trained clean voice.name a band with amazing musicianship and lame growling/grunting/screaming that would not be improved with real singing
Not exactly sure what **** refers to in this case but I don't find them overly cussing or anything.saw trivium live a while ago and was not impressed... he could sing ok, but the songs were really stupid with bad lyrics and every other word he said was ****.
Seriously, who cares about the size of the audience of a band?and what kong means with his post that skew said was ingnorant was that bands like Iron Maiden, Metallica, Judas Priest, etc... have been selling out world tours since they started, trivium or whatever will never reach that same level of popularity, 30 years from now they will not be selling out arenas and putting out new stuff.
name a band with amazing musicianship and lame growling/grunting/screaming that would not be improved with real singing
Maiden is so much nicer on the ears.
Especially the change between singing and gwoling gives theit songs a much deeper expression and emotion.
The high contrasts (intensified by proper instumental company) make their songs rise above the equal average.
If they would only sing and not growl you'd take away from the depth of their songs
Nims said:Judging your logic, metalheads listen to deathmetal BECAUSE the screaming sounds bad...
Or "The Night and the Silent Water".For instance, imagine "Demon of the fall" sung instead og growled.. not the same effect, not cool, and likewise, if they had growled "Patterns in the ivy" it would also have ****ed.
Bold statement.The problem with screaming / grunting is that it all sounds the same. There is zero creativity in screaming / growling. It just screams (heh, pun not intended) "Oh, I can't come up with a good melody so I'll just scream my lungs out."
Now, dragons and swords are more the themes Power Metal is about.The fact that many of them sing about pixies and dragons 'n **** doesn't help either. I mean come on, you're in a rockband. It's your responsibility to try to at least be at least a little bit original. I've seen a couple of videos of Children of Bodom and it has pretentiousness written all over it.
Oh, Avenged Sevenfold.It just s ucks that when I listen to a modern metal band and I'm thinking "Hmm, sounds pretty good" but then the sound of some guy that growls like he's pretending he's a monter or something kicks in and I'm like "Oh, dear God..." and hit the stop button. It just ruins the song. It's a waste of good musicianship. A good example is Trivium. If only they'd drop the growling they would be a much better band. I think THIS is a good example of a modern metal band that has a pretty good sense of melody (note: I'm not into them, just a quick YouTube search).
No.Isn't that what music is all about in the end? That it pleases the ears? That it sounds good? Judging your logic, metalheads listen to deathmetal BECAUSE the screaming sounds bad...
Again, an unqualified respone of yours.Ehm, tell me exactly how screaming at the same height over and over and over again, actually gives the music DEEPER meaning and more emotional? At least with a good melody you can give the song originality... with screaming and growling you can't.
While I do enjoy the music from nearly all eras (inclduing 60ies and 70ies) that does not mean there weren't any repetitive or unoriginal songs around back then.Ask any rock fan to list a couple of classic guitar riffs from the 60's or 70's and I'm sure they can come up with at least six. What about listing riffs from today's metal bands? You can't, because they don't focus on melody, they just focus on playing as fast as possible and have no intention of making original music.
Oh, definately!In the end, melody is extremely important for music. That's what people remember, and hum while they're walking down the street.
Lots of stuff, too much to quote.