[Movie] Mein Kampf the Movie

[SchutzeSepp]

many probably think hitler is the worst man in history, how or why they don't really know. just because thats what we heard all our lives, he was a monster, he is pure evil, it's taboo, don't make fun of him, never say something not bad about him, it's the shame of mankind, ... etc
if we, and others had been honest to ourselves, then we would never have this kind of problem. saying he was pure evil, creates a feeling of symphathy towards him when people realise he was obviously not the incarnation of the devil.
if we don't watch out with this, then he might become a hero in a few decades. the underdog of the 20th century...
unless by that time a new dictator took power and destroyed mankind, simply because we removed our own ability to recognise potentially dangerous leaders that don't have horns coming out of their head...

 

[Grobut]

great, now tv stations all over europe will get busy censoring the parts of the movie that show hitler's human side.

Yes, because "all of europe" consists only of Germany and France

Its fine that you want to debate how censorship like this can have the opposite of its intended effect, i even agree, but leave the rest of Europe out of it please, its not like we're one big country called Francodeutchenheimer.

 

[[TW]schneidzekk]

Geez loosen up...

The only stuff not shown or cut on German TV are hardcore pron, extremely violent stuff which is simply not suited for kids or stuff which is just against the law.

That is not really "censoring"...

No clue how France is doing it but i highly doubt they cut/ban a movie about such an issue.

Some people really have a wrong picture of some countries.

 

[Colt .45 killer]

Well Hitler is who he is for what he has done later on. A movie that only lasts up to the creation of "Mein Kampf" shows him as nothing but a slightly misguided wanna-be politician and revolutionary who got arrested for his ideas and his misguided revolution attempts.
Ergo: It doesn't show anything about the evil he has done.

In The Downfall Hitler was clearly portrayed as the megalomaniac lunatic that he was and that he appeared almost normal or even friendly in some scenes only made him creepier in my opinion.

In that Carlyle flick he seems to be a little too crazy in some scenes (those eyes are almost funny sometimes) but nevertheless the movie also shows what he has done to the world.

That "Mein Kampf" movie would only show a more or less regular guy who somehow made it through ww1 though not without sustaining damage to his mind, who would eventually evolve to a charismatic mini-revolutionary with a grand but disturbing vision.

That's a dangerous way of looking at Hitler!

Especially if it is seen by the wrong eyes. We have enough ****-ups even in Germany who belief that the Holocaust never took place and that Hitler, though flawed, was a terrific guy, a great politician who has done a lot of good for Germany and just happened to lose the war - and not even that was his fault in their opinion!

I'm not one who likes to change movies/music/art/videogames so it works with idiots too, but in this case let's not forget the danger of such a movie!

Serious people who want to know about his youth can read it up or watch documentaries. They don't need the movie. Idiots need the movie and they should not get it in my opinion.


I'm pretty sure they are only calling it "Mein Kampf" because that's the name of the book Hitler wrote. Not because the movie is a movie version of "Mein Kampf" (the book). I don't even think you could make a movie out of this mess. For those who haven't read it yet: Don't bother. A fitting review for it is a single word: Brainfart.

you know what you do to the holocaust denyers? simple tote em over to aushvitz and if they still deny it, fire up the old incinerator and ask them if they will still deny it when you pop them in. (yeah i despise people who are ignorant enough to deny the holocaust ever happened)

 

[SchutzeSepp]

Yes, because "all of europe" consists only of Germany and France

Its fine that you want to debate how censorship like this can have the opposite of its intended effect, i even agree, but leave the rest of Europe out of it please, its not like we're one big country called Francodeutchenheimer.

i was being sarcastic, plus the french held a debate after the movie to explain why the censored parts, and to have a debate about the movie with some holocaust survivors etc... i do recall them saying something like "unlike some other european public tv stations we decided to show the movie, but we took out parts that could hurt the sensibility of some persons..."

what an image, censoring a movie wich is basically taking away the freedom of expression, in front of those who suffered immensely so we could keep that freedom...

 

[Murphy]

Geez loosen up...

The only stuff not shown or cut on German TV are hardcore pron, extremely violent stuff which is simply not suited for kids or stuff which is just against the law.

If a movie is shown before 22:30, and it's the beginning of the movie that counts, not the time when the part in question shows up, it is cut down so far that it would recieve a 12+ rating. So even 16+ movies (e.g. a good few of the James Bond movies), which are far away from being hardcore porn or extremely violent are cut.

So it's not quite as well as you put it there. There is no political censorship other than the selection of movies of course (if you want to count that as censorship and some people do) though, I agree with that.

 

[Colt .45 killer]

eh i just hope they properly show how this guy loved evolution and lived eugenics to the max + 120%.

 

[[TW]schneidzekk]

If a movie is shown before 22:30, and it's the beginning of the movie that counts, not the time when the part in question shows up, it is cut down so far that it would recieve a 12+ rating. So even 16+ movies (e.g. a good few of the James Bond movies), which are far away from being hardcore porn or extremely violent are cut.

So it's not quite as well as you put it there. There is no political censorship other than the selection of movies of course (if you want to count that as censorship and some people do) though, I agree with that.

True, but that is just because they want to show them early If they show the movies late at night it is kinda surprising how much you get. Anyways, this is off topic hell

I am not sure if i am talking about the same movie, but isn't the one currently filmed in Germany supposed to be a comedy?

 

[Crusher]

Wasn't Red Orchestra censored in Germany?


Also, most people have some kind of "good" human side that includes murderers and such.
BTW, Conquerors like Hitler used to be portrayed as legends and heroes, Alexander the Great, Julius Ceasar, etc. They all murdered tons of people (for one reason or another). Just to show times change (call it getting more civilized).

 

[[TW]schneidzekk]

Wasn't Red Orchestra censored in Germany?

No, it wasn't. The gore level was adjusted to meet certain requirements and there is more than one (including technical) reasons why it was done and that is it. And no, don't start it all over again, it will not change.

People should use the word censorship a little bit more carefully.

 

[Ermac]

 

[The Masta]

I am not sure if i am talking about the same movie, but isn't the one currently filmed in Germany supposed to be a comedy?

I think you mean Mein F

 

[[TW]schneidzekk]

No, i mean this one: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1038045/ . I read an article about it and it seems to be a tragicomedy, definitely not a "realistic" drama.

 

[Murphy]

Hm. Interesting. Might be worth watching after all.
It also seems to starr G