Medic Perk: To be or not to be?

[timur]

How about you play a few games with me and see what I can do with the MP7 before you even call me dead weight? I don't go around here calling anyone dead weight or say they are the reason their team gets beat. If anyone wants to say that feel free to add me and invite me to a game, after that you can make an assessment.

I hate to bug you, but why don't you carry around the LAR as well? I mean, I know the MP7 is quite effective, but the LAR is a cheap weapon that can help with the killing. It's rate of fire is slow enough to avoid auto-reload, thereby saving you from the perilous "I would be healing you if my gun would stop reloading" syndrome. Its just nice to have a backup (particularly a backup powerful enough to get the attention of large specimen when you want their attention)

I'm just curious as to why you don't go with a cheap backup.

 

[FSUBoo]

I don't use medic to tank or just for the cheap armor. Yeah I may start a game as medic then switch to berserker if I'm playing that cause I'm only level 5 so I don't spawn armor. I have over 149k of healing so it's not like I don't heal. While a medics job is to heal others sometimes the best way to help a teammate that needs healing is to help clear our some of the trash (small stuff) around them so they have some space to reload and you hav a little more time to heal.

An example is if someone is surrounded by crawlers and trying to fight with a shotgun maybe it's a good idea to have a bullpup, pull it out kill the crawlers THEN heal the person. Everyone has different tactics so while I respect you for going entirely mp7 only, at least respect the rest of us who choose to do some killing WHILE healing teammates. No sense in standing around doing nothing if your team is fully healthy.

 

[CupofMud]

For me, playing medic is a system of constant checks. You switch between offense and defense depending on many, many variables: everyone's current HP/armor, their perks and levels, what they're doing/location, the type of specimens currently attacking, the amount of specimens attacking, your level of situational awareness (needs constant refreshing), your position on the map, predicting this/that; there're too many to list (and remember). I always figured that as a player gets more experienced they'll find themselves shooting through this checklist without even thinking about it. Anyway,

I rarely use the MP7M as a weapon because the reload time is disastrous. The only time I'll use it

 

[timur]

For me, playing medic is a system of constant checks. You switch between offense and defense depending on many, many variables: everyone's current HP/armor, their perks and levels, what they're doing/location, the type of specimens currently attacking, the amount of specimens attacking, your level of situational awareness (needs constant refreshing), your position on the map, predicting this/that; there're too many to list (and remember). I always figured that as a player gets more experienced they'll find themselves shooting through this checklist without even thinking about it. Anyway,

I rarely use the MP7M as a weapon because the reload time is disastrous. The only time I'll use it

 

[The_Holy_Diver]

I hate to bug you, but why don't you carry around the LAR as well? I mean, I know the MP7 is quite effective, but the LAR is a cheap weapon that can help with the killing. It's rate of fire is slow enough to avoid auto-reload, thereby saving you from the perilous "I would be healing you if my gun would stop reloading" syndrome. Its just nice to have a backup (particularly a backup powerful enough to get the attention of large specimen when you want their attention)

I'm just curious as to why you don't go with a cheap backup.

Because most of the time I honestly don't need to, when we play more and you or Candlejack aren't a medic you will see. And don't worry about bugging me. I dont mind explaining myself.

 

[Helios]

dnt flame too much on medics

as a medic myself, i use LVR as my primary wpn, n medic gun as emergency wpn
i heal when i can

but heres the situation tat usually turns out

either the team splits into a few squad, n ive to run back n forth to heal all of them, or just stick wit one squad n heal them, then the other squad dies n flame at how im not doing my job

OR

the team sticks together, i keep healing, but 1 syringe is just not enugh to share it wit 5 other ppl. then ends up everybody dies bcus the reloading syringe animation is just too slow

OR

i use LVR to kill things on my spare time n save myself, while healing teammates when they need.

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seriously, protect the medic, instead of complaining how they r not doing a good job. i honestly tried to have 0 kills to win a normal long map, but its impossible, i cant rely on my teammates to keep me safe, n now ive trust issues towards my team D:

 

[Rainydaykid]

seriously, protect the medic, instead of complaining how they r not doing a good job. i honestly tried to have 0 kills to win a normal long map, but its impossible, i cant rely on my teammates to keep me safe, n now ive trust issues towards my team D:

Don't really need anything besides a 9mm on normal. I use 9mm and nades on hard when I am bored, usually play on hell on earth.

 

[rckrdude]

TL;DR if you don't need a medic, you should be playing a harder difficulty.

Beat West London on HoE today with a pub team and no medic. No class is necessary in this game. Its one of the beautiful things about KF.

 

[The_Holy_Diver]

Beat West London on HoE today with a pub team and no medic. No class is necessary in this game. Its one of the beautiful things about KF.

With a good class mix you dont need alot of things. But too many of one class can lead to a bitter end.

 

[EricFong]

I love medic, LAR is my early wave weapon, until I get to wave 5-7. I exchange LAR to Crossbow, I heal most the time and only shoot if I need to.

 

[timur]

I love medic, LAR is my early wave weapon, until I get to wave 5-7. I exchange LAR to Crossbow, I heal most the time and only shoot if I need to.

are you sure the xbow is a good idea, as a medic? I mean, it's been nerfed quite a huge bit for non-SS, so I'm curious as to how you would use it

 

[9_6]

How about you play a few games with me and see what I can do with the MP7 before you even call me dead weight? I don't go around here calling anyone dead weight or say they are the reason their team gets beat. If anyone wants to say that feel free to add me and invite me to a game, after that you can make an assessment.

Well excuse me, mr. my-job-doesn't-require-me-to-kill-anything but if there's someone who insists on using the non-weapon that is the mp7 and just won't kill stuff cause "I'm medic", that person IS dead weight no matter how godlike they can heal or anything and it becomes even more apparent on smaller teams.
Unless you play hard or lower I guess.

It's not even a matter of how good you can aim or "what you can do" if you need like a minimum of 4 headshots from a weapon with as much spread as a shotgun to deal with trash vs 1 bodyshot for crawlers from a weapon that always fires precise shots.
On HoE, to avoid being overrun, everyone must kill stuff.

 

[scary ghost]

are you sure the xbow is a good idea, as a medic? I mean, it's been nerfed quite a huge bit for non-SS, so I'm curious as to how you would use it

Even with the halved head shot multiplier, 1200 damage on head shots is enough to 1 shot everything except scrakes and fleshpounds on any difficulty with any number of players. The only things the SS can do with the xbow that non-SS can't are stun scrakes on head shots and compensate for the 65% xbow resistance fleshpounds have on suicidal/H.o.E. SS also get discounts on xbow ammo so maintenance is cheaper.

 

[EricFong]

And don't forget about penetration, with 4 clot line together is better with 1 shot than 4 shot, but then I would shoot if teammate has being surround and lure them on me and shout for teammate's grenade.

 

[noupperlobeman]

Honestly am I the only guy who doesn't use anything but an MP7?

My med loadout only consists of MP7 because my job doesn't require me to kill anything. IMHO and I know not many will agree, but I think a medic should rely on his team for kills and that is it. I know as a medic you tend to be the last alive. <Did I mention I am not talking HoE - Tho I have seen some pretty good teams with no medic> But even at that if your doing your job and your team knows how to shoot they should be alive with you. That is to say the team is balanced and is smart.

And I can shoot the med dart at anyone moving or standing still and hit them. My secret is simple - go into a normal server and play a noon med class with a med gun. Play as med would. You get no regen bonus so every shout with the med dart counts. Don't ask them to stand still just try your best. Eventually you wont even need the sight to hit them with a dart.

Alas I dont like seeing meds with shotguns and axes. I dont mind seeing them with a Mac10 but when i do see them with a different loadout I honestly know in my head they wont be playing the perk and is just using the armor bonus. sorry but that grinds my gears a little bit. I think every class has a role and it should be played so. No zerkmeds. Get out of here with that.

I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you on a few points:

1) It sounds kinda self important that you refuse to kill things or take advantage of your perks bonuses. "Pfffft I'm a medic, YOU kill stuff noob" is really all I hear when people say they don't kill things as a medic.

2) When you pick medic you take on the responsibility of healing your team AND offensive damage putout. Its not like you are a berserker or a commando whose sole duty is offense. Its a priority system: 1. heals 2. Damage output. If everyones health bar is full, you have an obligation to help towards your teams offensive output. You may not be dead weight as a heals only medic, but you sure aren't contributing to making the wave any shorter. Any second spent inside a wave is a second too long.

3) No offense, but your whole "practice medic gun" situation is just silly.

4) You have a problem with medics that tank (at least thats what I pulled from your post)? Are you telling me that you would let a scrake or a fleshpound chew on your flimsy sharpshooter or support specialists armor? What if they have no armor? Are you telling me that you are going to try to heal an armorless teammate through a fleshpound charge? I jump in front of teammates all the time and tank the harder enemies (using a hunting shotgun to take the aggro). Medics armor is cheap and FAR more durable than any other classes. You are doing your team a service by not having to heal them, or forcing them to buy new armor.

5) Full time medic non healers make me angry too, I agree with you there. The best medics, in my opinion, know when to heal and when to go on offense.

At the end of the day it is one of those "to each his own" type of situation. I guess I get more of a kick out of being a proactive medic, than a reactive one.

***Disclaimer: I know I made a lot of assumptions, but I feel they are points that needed to be raised. I also posed a lot of hypothetical "what if" questions, and I hate what ifs because they don't have an answer.****

 

[The_Holy_Diver]

Well excuse me, mr. my-job-doesn't-require-me-to-kill-anything but if there's someone who insists on using the non-weapon that is the mp7 and just won't kill stuff cause "I'm medic", that person IS dead weight no matter how godlike they can heal or anything and it becomes even more apparent on smaller teams.
Unless you play hard or lower I guess.

It's not even a matter of how good you can aim or "what you can do" if you need like a minimum of 4 headshots from a weapon with as much spread as a shotgun to deal with trash vs 1 bodyshot for crawlers from a weapon that always fires precise shots.
On HoE, to avoid being overrun, everyone must kill stuff.

Listen you want to complain? I only said come play a few games with me and see. That is all I said, and honestly I can hold my own with an MP7. Before you continue to flame me add [WF]The Holy Diver to your friends list and join me in a game. Unless you know how I play, don't say anything. I am done responding to your flamebait.

Oh and read posts, did I not say I wasnt talking about HoE?

 

[The_Holy_Diver]

1) It sounds kinda self important that you refuse to kill things or take advantage of your perks bonuses. "Pfffft I'm a medic, YOU kill stuff noob" is really all I hear when people say they don't kill things as a medic.

3) No offense, but your whole "practice medic gun" situation is just silly.

4) You have a problem with medics that tank (at least thats what I pulled from your post)? Are you telling me that you would let a scrake or a fleshpound chew on your flimsy sharpshooter or support specialists armor? What if they have no armor? Are you telling me that you are going to try to heal an armorless teammate through a fleshpound charge? I jump in front of teammates all the time and tank the harder enemies (using a hunting shotgun to take the aggro). Medics armor is cheap and FAR more durable than any other classes. You are doing your team a service by not having to heal them, or forcing them to buy new armor.

5) Full time medic non healers make me angry too, I agree with you there. The best medics, in my opinion, know when to heal and when to go on offense.

At the end of the day it is one of those "to each his own" type of situation. I guess I get more of a kick out of being a proactive medic, than a reactive one.

Hey man, theres alot there that I do in fact do as a medic. Like get the scrake and FPs to come after me. I can take it, I know that.

And the practice tips help me, alot. Just a personal suggestion.

Going into this I knew alot of people would disagree. Thank you for taking the time to read my arguments.

The only way you all can see what I am talking about is in game, I am currently trying to figure out how to convert the .bip or whatever files from my KF-common folder. My medic video will follow shortly.

There are tons of ways to play medic. Not one style is correct. I am just putting in my 2 cents on my style. Thats all.

 

[9_6]

I don't need to see how you play.
That's kinda cute that you assume this is an argument at all so you conveniently don't need to address anything else I say but I can vividly imagine how it goes cause, you know, I did have some "ima only using the mp7" pros in my team and it is quite irritating to hear the sound of wasted potential with the implied promise of getting butt****ed by a blocked heal caused by the long reload animation bound to happen in spray and pray panic situations that is the mp7 shooting sound.
That sound that says "you know, I could be sniping husks with an xbow or shoot crawlers with a LAR or do anything more useful but guess what? Nope." while you now have to deal with bonus zeds.

You asked if you were the only one that exclusively uses the mp7.
If you play anything above normal, pick a bloody gun up darnit!

 

[Fat Cat]

to be honest u could get a lar as well, although i just use the winchester (when playing medic) since thats fairly cheap and a accurate gun and i dont need to switch perks to buy it.

 

[EricFong]

^ This, try not to start a flame war, everyone.