[Game] Mass Effect 3
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Why? That was a serious question. What the hell did you expect after they announced that they were giving into the fan complaints? You can't seriously tell me that you thought they were going to remove the original ending and just put in something new? It was obvious that it was merely going to be something "added". Indoctrination theory would've been the same thing, just a cutscene after the old final cutscene. Still possible btw
I don't think we thought that. I think we wanted them to say "Yes, we ****ed up, the ending is rubbish, we're sorry." instead of this nonsense we're getting. Nobody is going to be satisfied with "clarification" or simple ending cutscenes that say what happened to characters (if they're even going to do that).
The endings are fundamentally broken when looked at from any intelligent standpoint, and frankly it's insulting. The only way they could have "fixed" the problem is by fessing up. So far they've done nothing but deflect criticism and hold on to their guns with an iron grip. Possibly because the endings have something to do with further EA milking of the Mass Effect franchise. Wanting to get players saying "WTF is going on" so they can explain it away in another spinoff or sequel.
TBH I'm curious to see what they're going to "clarify" on and how they'll do it. But waiting until some undisclosed time in the summer isn't cutting it for me. I'm very, very glad I didn't shell my own money for the game. If I had, I'd probably be as angry as the people at the Bioware forums.
I don't know man. In a world where prequels, "set in the same universe but thousands of years prior or later" and reboots are pretty much the norm they really didn't need a crappy twist ending to get people to buy more ME games.
Ah so we've arrived at the next phase, paranoid schizophrenia.
And again, they do not have to fix anything. It's their vision and this is an entertainment medium, not an exploded oil shell platform that killed millions of seagulls and seals. You don't really get to demand anything. A good company will listen to the constructive feedback of the community. If I was them I wouldn't completely change the ending either because that would equal selling out to your own fans instead of following your own vision, even if that sucks in many fans' view. I say either get it right in the beginning or go with it/only slightly change/adapt it.
And blablabla, even if they completely deleted the last 15min and for example added a completely sense-making indoctrination theory ending with choices corresponding to your actions in all of the 3 games, the hardcore bioware haters still wouldn't be satisfied but just ***** even more, and you all know it.
Or, alternatively, they could have made an ending to the game that didn't undermine or completely ruin most of what happened in the whole trilogy.
Oh wait... in your mind that's too much to ask, right? Their "vision" is utter ****. Anyone with even a little bit of investment in the series realizes this. The only people who don't care are the one's who play ME primarily as a 3rd person shooter and not as an RPG. Pretty much everyone who cared about the story, the characters and the lore was disappointed by the ending.
If their "vision" is so off from what the large majority of their dedicated fans expected, then they are in the wrong, not the fans.
This statement is absolutely ridiculous.
Also, simply having a cinematic sequence showing that you are indoctrinated does nothing. If they want to go the indoctrination way, then that demands more gameplay and a real ending (if you beat the indoctrination).
I know that you're just trolling, but you're good at it, since your posts are honestly quite irritating. Defending EA is absolutely stupid. They are an evil money grabbing company that doesn't give a **** about gamers or the gaming community and only cares about their bottom line. So **** you for defending them and **** you for trolling so well.
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Jesus, step down a bit, you're taking this too serious. No insulting necessary.
So while again you take your "OMG YOU'RE DEFENDING EA!!!" out of nowhere eventhough I already explained ~3 times that I dislike them but simply don't spend my energy on hating a game company, here's to the ME3 part:
Yes they did kinda screw up the ending, yet they found a compromise between sticking to their vision and integrity and at the same time answer all of those open questions, which was the main concern of ME fans besides the lack of choice integration. How satisfying that will turn out and how exactly they will pull it off remains to be seen. So what's the problem? Would you rather not have the current ending explained? You're not going to get a completely new one, they've been pretty damn clear about that from the beginning.
And no that statement is not ridiculous, it's absolutely true. No matter what they do, people will just keep on hating them because that's what they like to do.
And why would they need more gameplay for indoctrination theory? By choosing the destoy ending you pretty much "won" against the reaper indoctrination and all it would take would be cutscenes to clear that all up. After all the reapers are now destroyed, so what would be left fighting?(Although I'm not sure if the hybrid reaper ground forces get "deathswitched" as well)
So while again you take your "OMG YOU'RE DEFENDING EA!!!" out of nowhere eventhough I already explained ~3 times that I dislike them but simply don't spend my energy on hating a game company, here's to the ME3 part:
Yes they did kinda screw up the ending, yet they found a compromise between sticking to their vision and integrity and at the same time answer all of those open questions, which was the main concern of ME fans besides the lack of choice integration. How satisfying that will turn out and how exactly they will pull it off remains to be seen. So what's the problem? Would you rather not have the current ending explained? You're not going to get a completely new one, they've been pretty damn clear about that from the beginning.
And no that statement is not ridiculous, it's absolutely true. No matter what they do, people will just keep on hating them because that's what they like to do.
And why would they need more gameplay for indoctrination theory? By choosing the destoy ending you pretty much "won" against the reaper indoctrination and all it would take would be cutscenes to clear that all up. After all the reapers are now destroyed, so what would be left fighting?(Although I'm not sure if the hybrid reaper ground forces get "deathswitched" as well)
"Vision" is irrelevant. That term's been thrown around as a cop-out damage control excuse to get Bioware to appear as the victims and downplay the issue. If their vision was so important they wouldn't have cut so many corners and effectively sold out to appeal to a wider audience. It's their product, they can make it work.
I paid good money for the first two games. Even bought the first twice. I'm sure I've spent a couple hundred hours on em since they were released. If Bioware/EA wants to keep making money off me, they damn well better listen to what I think of their so called "artistic vision". As of right now it isn't a vision at all. It's a broken mess of nonsense that barely deserves to be called an ending. It doesn't provoke speculation, it doesn't leave people thinking what's in store for the series, it hardly even fits the setting and the facts within it. In fact it breaks Shepard's character entirely, but that's just one point on the list.
My perfect world scenario would play out with Bioware/EA admitting fault and exposing the reasons why the ending turned out to be such a failure. They are fully aware what they did with the game, and I refuse to believe that such a blunder was planned that way from the get-go. Especially given the previous games' attention to details. Realistically I don't expect them to actually do much at all. I know they will do nothing but defend their mess and claim we're just not getting it, or we don't know what we want. All I'll say is that the players who bought the games have every right to complain, and it's a company's responsiblity to do what's necessary to compromise.
If the Extended Cut DLC doesn't appropriately "fix" things within reason, Bioware/EA probably won't hear the end of it. And it'll still be far more people complaining than just your typical group of Bioware haters.
The first error here is to believe that they know they screwed up. They seem to really believe in it, so they're not going to come out and say "we messed up". People would still complain and their respect in the gaming industry would be compromised. Afterall there many big developers like Ken Levine who do defend the artists' right to stick to their vision.
The second error is that it is not their responsibility. They do not have to do anything. Some people think BioWare has a moral responsibility to fix it, that's why in regards to those people BioWare announced the Extended Cut. I still don't see where the point in complaining is right now. People voiced their opinions on how they hate the ending, fine. Now several weeks have passed and several more weeks will pass until summer when the Extended Cut DLC will arrive. Where is the point in getting all agitated now instead of waiting for the DLC to arrive and complaining then?
Because the indoctrination theory has same problem as the old R=U theory from FF8 from argumental point of view and most fans jumps to any kind of excusable, "justifying" epileptic trees as long as it would give them sense of contemplation and "reason" to the ending? Of course, this is presuming indoctrination thing is canon.
Besides, even if we go with the "it's their **** to they can do whatever the **** they want with it" - which is as obvious statement as sun rising in the morning, or lifeforms die - that's just a way to kill conversation that's been mostly sensible. I'm almost fed up by too much lulz-level lollercoaster the ME3 drama sparks around but it's still not an excuse for me to rain on people's parade just because well **** it, I can and Chewbacca defence ftw.
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What? I don't think you're very familiar with the indoctrination theory that some have proposed. It supposes that Harbingers illusion starts from the moment you get knocked out in London. From walking to the beam, killing the final boss (Marauder Shields) and everything that took place after you get beamed up, it supposedly all takes place in Shepards head.
So choosing the destroy option in the end doesn't destroy the reapers, it only breaks the indoctrination and if you had a high enough score, you get to see Shep take a breath in the rubble.
Now, knowing all this, you would be fine if they just showed a short cinematic and didn't allow you to destroy the Reapers for real?
I find that absolutely ridiculous and can't for the life of me imagine why anyone would be ok with such a conclusion to the whole trilogy.
Like I said it's probably not going to be enough. Which in the end will probably hurt them even more than coming clean. And if they plan on not losing profits due to the amount of customers who feel abandoned by the company, they should do something. Which they have, but it really only seems like the bare minimum, artfully constructed to keep sympathetic light shining on them.
They sure seem like they believe in their direction, but I don't buy that for an instant. Until recently, Bioware has put out some exceptional games, and well-made stories to go with them. Something's changed though, and it's been damaging enough to cause problems with their last few releases. I personally think pressure from EA is responsible (considering their loss in profits in recent years) and whatever internal issues that caused with Bioware ended up negatively affecting Mass Effect 3's development. We know they lost the lead writer after ME2 was finished, and I've read that others have left since ME3. Signs point to the ending being botched because of these things, and they are trying their damnedest to make it look like they've just crafted something with some worth by saying it's their vision, and they aren't changing it.
Saying this is their story and they're sticking to it is just them trying to hide the fact that they know they screwed up. Playing this "artistic vision" card is just a way of drawing sympathy from others, often those who don't fully understand the situation (most journalists covering the issue). Whether they intentionally cut massive portions from the ending, had to change it entirely, or whatever else it might have been, they know they're at fault. I don't believe, had Bioware been fully in control of the direction of the game, that they would have made such a drastic mistake intentionally.
It just isn't like them, especially looking at it from the ME1-2-3 perspective. There's just such a massive difference in the quality of writing, even between the mid-late portions of 3 to the ending. It's as if they literally put someone who had no idea about the previous games or the events leading up to the ending in charge of the story.
So we're going to get clarification on the mess they gave us and that's supposed to quell the flames. I don't see how it's so hard to understand why some people will just continue to be bitter about it.
How would he destroy the reapers for real?
@Reise
Neither you nor I can know what they really think of their own ending. And besides, most of the ME3 hating is exclusively about the ending, otherwise it's mostly considered as a great Mass Effect game.
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So you agree that a simple cut-scene wouldn't be enough? Or are you just going to keep answering questions with questions?
As for how, well, how about using that huge weapon that they were constructing throughout the whole game?
That huge weapon which needs the citadel as catalyst? You'd be doing the same thing, just that they don't trick you into choosing synthesis/control.
What? Doing the same thing? What same thing? What are you talking about?
In order to get the weapon working you needed to get up to the citadel. You get knocked out before you get there. How can you do "the same thing"?
Well what do you think happens when you get up to the citadel? I doubt there will just be one "Save Earth" button. And I doubt the whole locales at the ending were just made up, even if just hallucination.
You are really grasping at straws here, simply to justify whatever EA/Bioware are doing, I hope you realize that.
What happens when you get up to the citadel? How should I know? Isn't it the job of Bioware's writers to come up with a good story? A story where your choices actually matter, a story where what you've done prior to the ending actually have an effect, a story that concludes in a way that doesn't leave the player with more questions than answers. After all, that was what we were promised.
Why do you doubt it? If you choose to believe the indoctrination theory, and choose to believe that Shep was just hallucinating everything, why doubt that what he saw could simply all be fake?
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To be honest, I did not buy the game - I played the demo, and did not like it one bit. I liked ME1+2, but the combat seemed lacking in this one (and since the game was said to consist mostly of that, I was especially on my toes) and the option to select wether to automate the dialogue was the nail on the coffin.
On the other hand, I have closely watched the torrent surrounding the ME3-ending. It seems to me that the authors just winged it. There is some evidence in that app you can buy for the ipad, stuff like "we
On the other hand, I have closely watched the torrent surrounding the ME3-ending. It seems to me that the authors just winged it. There is some evidence in that app you can buy for the ipad, stuff like "we
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