[MAP-WIP] Warsaw
- Thread starter Coin-goD
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Hey, Coin-goD. I've got my fingers crossed for the success of this map.
As for your query from the original post, you have problems with finding sources detailing the fighting between Germans and Soviets, because there was hardly any, apart from fighting in Praga district on the right bank. After the fall of the Uprising, Germans withdrew eventually and Soviet and Soviet-formed Polish troops entered the ruins of the city in January 1945, uncontested. So not much fighting there. Me being conspirationally anti-Soviet again
As far as I can ascertain, the locations you depict in your map are on the left bank of Vistula so it might confuse history and factual events for those who don't know much about the Warsaw Uprising. Now before Drecks, who is a fantastic mapper whose efforts have to be eternally lauded, comes in and posts snidely — no, I'm not saying you ought to drop this map, quite the opposite. Just maybe naming it "Warsaw", even though you're basing it off it, might not be what I'd personally like to see (but CoD1 has already been there with the Soviet campaign missions, so no further harm can be done to a lost cause, anyway, amirite?).
Cheers.
As for your query from the original post, you have problems with finding sources detailing the fighting between Germans and Soviets, because there was hardly any, apart from fighting in Praga district on the right bank. After the fall of the Uprising, Germans withdrew eventually and Soviet and Soviet-formed Polish troops entered the ruins of the city in January 1945, uncontested. So not much fighting there. Me being conspirationally anti-Soviet again
As far as I can ascertain, the locations you depict in your map are on the left bank of Vistula so it might confuse history and factual events for those who don't know much about the Warsaw Uprising. Now before Drecks, who is a fantastic mapper whose efforts have to be eternally lauded, comes in and posts snidely — no, I'm not saying you ought to drop this map, quite the opposite. Just maybe naming it "Warsaw", even though you're basing it off it, might not be what I'd personally like to see (but CoD1 has already been there with the Soviet campaign missions, so no further harm can be done to a lost cause, anyway, amirite?).
Cheers.
I understand. But naming it something else would be an abomination.
Since I'm working on the new WW1 mod I might be able to gather some knowledge on adding characters and maybe add Polish rebels for this map.
But anyways, made up combat isn't that bad. If the map is nice.
Since I'm working on the new WW1 mod I might be able to gather some knowledge on adding characters and maybe add Polish rebels for this map.
But anyways, made up combat isn't that bad. If the map is nice.
After playing TE-Odessa I decided to continue this map, when I'm not working on Grabenkrieg stuff.
That map was so much fun for me. And it is very similar to what I have in mind for most of Warsaw.
And I did waste time modeling a cool Church.
So yeah, this isn't dead.
That map was so much fun for me. And it is very similar to what I have in mind for most of Warsaw.
And I did waste time modeling a cool Church.
So yeah, this isn't dead.
After playing TE-Odessa I decided to continue this map, when I'm not working on Grabenkrieg stuff.
That map was so much fun for me. And it is very similar to what I have in mind for most of Warsaw.
And I did waste time modeling a cool Church.
So yeah, this isn't dead.
Good to hear! Keep on it!
Finished the facade entrance important details. And this is a simple ingame test to get a feel of the size.
You can see a small second tower in the back. That can be destroyed. (It was in real life)
I want the Russians to actually get inside and fight the Germans. Not like in Spartanovka where the Germans can just cap it from the outside.
Since it's quite big and it will have lots cover it will make for an intense finale.
Something like this:
http://i.imgur.com/am5dteD.png
http://i.udm4.com/screenshots_u4win/581/581951_3.png
http://www.gamersgate.com/img/screenshots/DD-BIAHH/28542_DigIn_02_HD.jpg
But pretty much destroyed.
Spoiler!
You can see a small second tower in the back. That can be destroyed. (It was in real life)
I want the Russians to actually get inside and fight the Germans. Not like in Spartanovka where the Germans can just cap it from the outside.
Since it's quite big and it will have lots cover it will make for an intense finale.
Something like this:
http://i.imgur.com/am5dteD.png
http://i.udm4.com/screenshots_u4win/581/581951_3.png
http://www.gamersgate.com/img/screenshots/DD-BIAHH/28542_DigIn_02_HD.jpg
But pretty much destroyed.
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Started working on the ruins surrounding the Church. This area was completely devastated and shows a huge contrast with the rest of the city (Where most ruins are still recognizable buildings). This buildings were turned into dust giving great cover for the advancing troops, even when the Church gives a complete view of the field on top of the tower.
I found that Google Earth has pictures of Warsaw in 1935 and 1945. Meaning I can see what the ruins used to be, which helps make sense of them.
Heavy wip
http://i.imgur.com/LfAEhu6.jpg
References
Warsaw Reconstruction pic (Good for Details)
http://www.deconcrete.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Miasto_Ruin_12.jpg
Google Earth (Good for design)
1935
http://i.imgur.com/G54F70B.jpg
1945
http://i.imgur.com/LUjABY4.jpg
I found that Google Earth has pictures of Warsaw in 1935 and 1945. Meaning I can see what the ruins used to be, which helps make sense of them.
Heavy wip
http://i.imgur.com/LfAEhu6.jpg
References
Warsaw Reconstruction pic (Good for Details)
http://www.deconcrete.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Miasto_Ruin_12.jpg
Google Earth (Good for design)
1935
http://i.imgur.com/G54F70B.jpg
1945
http://i.imgur.com/LUjABY4.jpg
My guess would be that the buildings that were completely leveled were older construction (brick/wood) and those that remained as shells were newer (concrete). Those around the church would logically have been old wood/brick buildings. Any older walls that did survive were probably well coursed (block) stone.
Wood building burn down easily, entire brick buildings could scatter with one bomb, while concrete typically loose roofs and floors and only partial walls were direct hits took place. Case in point, in Stalingrad, much of the debris from concrete buildings stayed inside the outer walls, while brick buildings spread themselves out into the streets. The smaller the room a bomb explodes inside, the more damage is imparted to the walls. Brick building usually have small rooms because they cannot support extremely long roof/floor beams, wood buildings even more so (smaller yet).
There was a thread else where that analyzed the effects of bombings on different types of structures in citys. The church, being made of heavier stone would absorb more of the blast, and its large open spaces allow the force of the shock waves to disperse rather than imparting destruction (similar to concrete buildings). I would imagine most of the church's windows were blown out regardless, either from shock waves or flying debris.
BTW, looking great. The task is a daunting one, looking forward to the beta (even if takes a year)
Wood building burn down easily, entire brick buildings could scatter with one bomb, while concrete typically loose roofs and floors and only partial walls were direct hits took place. Case in point, in Stalingrad, much of the debris from concrete buildings stayed inside the outer walls, while brick buildings spread themselves out into the streets. The smaller the room a bomb explodes inside, the more damage is imparted to the walls. Brick building usually have small rooms because they cannot support extremely long roof/floor beams, wood buildings even more so (smaller yet).
There was a thread else where that analyzed the effects of bombings on different types of structures in citys. The church, being made of heavier stone would absorb more of the blast, and its large open spaces allow the force of the shock waves to disperse rather than imparting destruction (similar to concrete buildings). I would imagine most of the church's windows were blown out regardless, either from shock waves or flying debris.
BTW, looking great. The task is a daunting one, looking forward to the beta (even if takes a year)
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Reminds me of the color scheme of Bridges of Druzhina. Also, the ruins look like its from the map as well just repeated over and over with an awesome looking church put in the middle. Great work and I hope to see this map soon.
Thanks for the analysis. If you could find that thread you mentioned it could be useful.
Here is an idea of the view from the Church tower:
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