RS Make the japanese MG go to iron sights without using bipod

[Jean_Luc_Picard]

A very heavy madsen being shoulder fired ( similar to type 96 but a lot older)

A Madsen could not be fired the way he's holding it. Well it could, if the operator wanted a bloodied hand from the empty shell casing being thrown out.

This idea is silly. We don't need anymore Ramboing in the game. The Type 96 and Type 99 aren't BARs.

 

[Bleakie]

Well at least your not against it, the Japanese do need that extra push in firepower to balance with BAR or M1919 it would be a life saver on maps that are offensive, I usu always play as japs but they do lack something on the assault! Hanto and guadcanal always cause unbelievable losses even with arty, it only takes a very good Thompson or bar gunner to defeat a good Japanese assault.

 

[Bleakie]

Jean, you obviously don't understand the situation on the ground, without an effective light support MG for the Japanese it's slaughter, troops used these LMGs from the shoulder on occasion, the point isn't about a madsen which is clearly shown aimed from the shoulder

 

[Bleakie]

How would it be ramboing? It would just mean that the Japanese have a decent assault MG that could be a game changer, if they did this it might give them a chance to give Americans m3 grease gun without altering the game too much in terms of balance.

 

[Bleakie]

I'm glad this has almost 3000 views maybe a lot of people like this idea? Or it is being heard about more, type 99 and type 96 don't have any special ability apart from scope. People don't join Japanese because they don't like getting beaten by BARs

 

[LugNut]

I think all LMG's should be able to both be fired from the shoulder, hip and resting on any object without bipods or the "no deploy for you" nonsense. There should be realistic and appropriate penalties for such stances, primarily for shoulder ofc. Less stamina, more sway etc. Make the advantages of firing deployed or resting far outweigh the disadvantages of unsupported, yet still make it viable for last resort situations.

For those who say that limiting when you can fire is necessary to limit the overpowering awesomeness of such weapons, I'd counter by saying reduce movement speed to a realistic level. Heavier weapons, spare barrel, more ammo would slow you down more than they currently do in game. LMG's would less likely to be leading the assault like you often see them now, they'd be farther back in a support role as they should be.

 

[Jean_Luc_Picard]

Jean, you obviously don't understand the situation on the ground, without an effective light support MG for the Japanese it's slaughter, troops used these LMGs from the shoulder on occasion, the point isn't about a madsen which is clearly shown aimed from the shoulder

 

[Jean_Luc_Picard]

For those who say that limiting when you can fire is necessary to limit the overpowering awesomeness of such weapons, I'd counter by saying reduce movement speed to a realistic level. Heavier weapons, spare barrel, more ammo would slow you down more than they currently do in game. LMG's would less likely to be leading the assault like you often see them now, they'd be farther back in a support role as they should be.

The spare barrels, ammo and all that was carried by a separate person. They're crew served weapons. The game could be changed to have every MG gunner have a bot that helps them load, just like the loader in the tank.

 

[Jank]

The MGs do actually get something besides the scope on upgrade... something which plays to the biggest strength of the Japanese side...


Yep. Bayonets baby... bayonets.


Because what the attacking Japanese lack in firepower, they make up for in spirit. That IS their strength, an actual game-modeled strength... and you have to use it, or you'll be frustrated on offense. But when you DO use it, the gloriousity is beyond compare in this game.

 

[Bleakie]

I think all LMG's should be able to both be fired from the shoulder, hip and resting on any object without bipods or the "no deploy for you" nonsense. There should be realistic and appropriate penalties for such stances, primarily for shoulder ofc. Less stamina, more sway etc. Make the advantages of firing deployed or resting far outweigh the disadvantages of unsupported, yet still make it viable for last resort situations.

For those who say that limiting when you can fire is necessary to limit the overpowering awesomeness of such weapons, I'd counter by saying reduce movement speed to a realistic level. Heavier weapons, spare barrel, more ammo would slow you down more than they currently do in game. LMG's would less likely to be leading the assault like you often see them now, they'd be farther back in a support role as they should be.

Totally agree with you.

 

[Bleakie]

There's your problem. You're trying to "balance" the game by changing the weapons to be some unhistorical crap. You're right. It's a support gun. You aren't doing any kind of supporting when you're Ramboing around the map. Balance the map, not the guns. The Japanese team doesn't need an "assault MG" that never existed, what they need is better maps, allow the MGs to set up properly (can't deploy here) and to get rid of the stupid flamethrower for the defensive allied team.

Adding changes like this, turn people like me off from the game.

So I'm guessing you were a soldier in WW2? Stop using the word ramboing all the time it's not ramboing at all! It's called taking an objective with a shoulder fired/bipod MG and using firepower effectively… I guess you like calling bar players ramboers a lot in guessing? Truth is you are too ignorant to understand that a machine gun being used from a shoulder is possible and did happen during WW2 and since these Japanese lmgs don't really weigh much it's perfectly possible…

 

[Bleakie]

And they do need a working assault weapon as type 100 is useless and very rare.

 

[LugNut]

*snip*

 

[Bleakie]

The MGs do actually get something besides the scope on upgrade... something which plays to the biggest strength of the Japanese side...


Yep. Bayonets baby... bayonets.


Because what the attacking Japanese lack in firepower, they make up for in spirit. That IS their strength, an actual game-modeled strength... and you have to use it, or you'll be frustrated on offense. But when you DO use it, the gloriousity is beyond compare in this game.

Banzai is all good and well but the Americans shoot the fck outa you with everything and American firepower is mostly semi automatic, I had 3 japs coming after me in Saipan with a type 99 lmg, sword and rifle in banzai

 

[Jank]

Did you realize the Japanese player can take as little as 1/7 damage during banzai, with full buff? Combine that with zig-zag attack, with the American suppressed by banzai effect... I reap BAR gunners all the time. And if there's five of us...


But I suppose we all have different experiences.


Remember, their relatively weak weaponry is part of the charm/balance of this game. It is asymmetrical. It is supposed to be asymmetrical. It is designed to be asymmetrical. It should stay asymmetrical, and thus the Japanese team does NOT need an "assault weapon". They just didn't have them. And the game is made to work great on either side with that taken in full account.

 

[Bleakie]

Still, shoulder fire should be used, maybe with a lot of recoil and fatigue but it should be possible

 

[Jean_Luc_Picard]

So I'm guessing you were a soldier in WW2? Stop using the word ramboing all the time it's not ramboing at all! It's called taking an objective with a shoulder fired/bipod MG and using firepower effectively

 

[mrsirr]

So I'm guessing you were a soldier in WW2? Stop using the word ramboing all the time it's not ramboing at all! It's called taking an objective with a shoulder fired/bipod MG and using firepower effectively

 

[JD0x0]

If you've got an American MG it's not hard to cut down 6-12 'Banzai-ing' Japanese before they even get into an objective... assuming you have a decent position and they're not right in your face.


The most annoying part of the MG is finding a place to use the bi-pod effectively without bugs, and having to shift your position and reacquire the sights every second, especially in the heat of battle. Being able to crouch fire the japanese MG's using the sights would make it far more effective and much less tedious to use.

I hate people who complain about 'Rambo-ers.' shut up. I cut people down with the (Japanese captured) 1911 at 100m, when I'm MG class, because hip firing is not very effective or ammo efficient, IMO. You gonna cry about that when I take out half a dozen guys with a 1911 or a suppressed 1895 nagant too?

If you can't kill a 'ramboing' MG'er who's hipfiring your reflexes and ability to aim are probably just poor.

Japanese type100 is garbage. I'll only use the 1st tier one, but I've found the bolt action to be far more effective at all ranges, if you can aim.

US has Trenchguns, Thompsons, BAR's and Garands (on top of their LMG), that's a F*&*load of firepower to stop a banzai charge. Even with a health buff, automatic weapons will cut down the Japanese easily, especially if they're moving together in groups.

Honestly, the 'balance' isn't that terrible, with a good Japanese team, but I'd like to see shoulder fired Type96/99's simply because it's so hard to find a good location to use the bipod without 'cannot deploy here' and other annoying issues.

 

[mrsirr]

Japanese type100 is garbage.

D:
Why everybody hate on the Type 100? What's so bad about it?