RS Make the japanese MG go to iron sights without using bipod

[JD0x0]

Recoil isn't just about bullet weights and energy. And some of the reported energy and bullet weights are suspect as some of those original military loads are far different than hunting and/or lawyer loads of today, especially ones like .30-06 or 7.92 Mauser. You said that the Type 99 should have less recoil than a SVT-40 or G-41, but those latter two are semi auto. The gas system takes a lot of the recoil energy away from the shooter, whereas in a bolt action all of the energy goes into the shooter. The weight of the weapon also has an effect on recoil. A heavier gun will soak up more recoil than a lighter gun.

I'm well aware of the factors. I'm saying, given an equal platform, the Japanese rounds will recoil less than the other 'full powered' rifle rounds of WW2.

And seeing as the Type99 LMG is both fairly weighty(23lbs), and has a gas operated action like the semi autos, it's fair to say that recoil will be lower than that of the SVT-40/AVT, and G43 and fairly mild in general.

 

[Jean_Luc_Picard]

I'm well aware of the factors. I'm saying, given an equal platform, the Japanese rounds will recoil less than the other 'full powered' rifle rounds of WW2.

Says who? I only know of the 6.5 ammo for the Type 11 that they didn't load as hot as the rifle ammo because the muzzle flash was too much out of the short barrel, contrary to popular opinion that it was to help reliability.

And seeing as the Type99 LMG is both fairly weighty(23lbs), and has a gas operated action like the semi autos, it's fair to say that recoil will be lower than that of the SVT-40/AVT, and G43 and fairly mild in general.

Recoil of semi autos and full autos are different. With semi autos you have time between shots to pull your gun down from the recoil and return it to your point of aim, while full autos you have to work with the recoil to keep it on target.

 

[MostlyHarmless]

Fortunately the Type 99 is currently the best existing rambo MG in the game with the bayonet and banzaing
Some of the best moments of my life with that thing in phosphate plant.

 

[Frostedfire]

And seeing as the Type99 LMG is both fairly weighty(23lbs), and has a gas operated action like the semi autos, it's fair to say that recoil will be lower than that of the SVT-40/AVT, and G43 and fairly mild in general.

the weapon sway should be a fair bit though trying to hold all that weight straight...

The BAR can have a bi-pod and use iron-sights when undeployed. So the workings are already there in some way.

indeed I noticed this when I recently got my hands on a bipod BAR for the first time last weekend, was quite surprised considering the RS devs were commenting on the coding they were having to do

 

[Bunny monster]

So I wonder, what do the producers say about this.

 

[shooter77]

I'm still not against it. As said, some cloth or glove on a hand to protect against burns from its underbelly would be enough to hold it like the BAR.

 

[Jolly Jew]

sounds very cool and a nice buff for the japanese, i support this idea

 

[Bunny monster]

So why can't this be in the next update just wondering I don't know about implementation but I bet its not as hard as it seems.

 

[Twrecks]

This is one mg I can agree about needing more recoil. The type 99 is a 7.7X58 caliber with no muzzle brake, and a deep flash hider. The only time I've seen this mg not kick HARD is when it has been converted to use AK47 magazines, shooting 7.62X39 cartridges.

It does bother me that there so few places that one can deploy, cause otherwise I really enjoy the weapon in game, and is the first class I choose when playing RS. Now... can I get a grenade?

 

[JD0x0]

This is one mg I can agree about needing more recoil.

I don't agree. Doesn't look bad at all. And physics would agree with me.
The 7.7 is not a heavy recoiling cartridge. Milder than the 30-06, 7.62x54R and 7.92x57 Mauser. It only develops about 2300ft-lbs of muzzle energy. Ontop of that it gets fired from a 23lb weapon which will soak up a good deal of recoil. The Japanese 7.7mm was considered one of the weakest full size rifle cartridges of the war. Slightly weaker than the similarly sized .303 british, which was not too impressive either.
The Type 99 would develop roughly 4.56ft-lbs of recoil energy. Compare that to a standard AK47 (6.57ft-lbs) or M4 (3.67ft-lbs)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI_CEfQrXmI

 

[Unus Offa Unus Nex]

JD0X0 is correct about the recoil and the cartridges, and besides from the physics behind it I can confirm this by having fired said rounds myself.

 

[FourKillMaster]

I can see a good balance with this that after firing off 10-20 rounds and the gun gets and hot you lose the ability to aim down sights. Of-course this could be negated by changing the barrel or deploying it. That way it has around the same magazine size as the BAR but keeps the japs play-style a little different.

 

[-Moody-]

I wouldn't mind if the japanese MG would go to iron sights without using bypod. I've seen this weapon in CoD:WaW the first time and it was possible in this game for sure. I was a bit disappointed that it's not possible in Rising Storm. Japanese does have very vew automatic weapons and it would be great if it was possible imo.

 

[Yarnu]

I dont use the MG's much in RO2 so I will not comment on what should be done.

I can however recommend and suggest that if the barrel was too hot to comfortably touch and fire undeployed the Japanese MG Character Model could be given gloves. Very similar to the German Machinegunner having gloves.

A cloth would be way cooler, but Gloves seem easier to implement!

 

[mrsirr]

I wouldn't mind if the japanese MG would go to iron sights without using bypod. I've seen this weapon in CoD:WaW the first time and it was possible in this game for sure. I was a bit disappointed that it's not possible in Rising Storm. Japanese does have very vew automatic weapons and it would be great if it was possible imo.

But I bet in CoD WaW he holds that hot spicy barrel don't he?

 

[JD0x0]

If you have the bayonet attachment you could technically hold onto the bayonet's 'grip' or the bipod legs.

 

[mrsirr]

I think that makes at least as much sense as holding onto one of the legs of the bipod on the MG34 or MG42. Unless this gun is longer than those.

 

[Jank]

Find a pic of a Type 96 or 99 being fired from the hip, if you can.

 

[aaz777]

Find a pic of a Type 96 or 99 being fired from the hip, if you can.

+ captured
+ aimed through iron sights, not hip

 

[Jank]

Not being fired either, no mag - but still gj, thats the best I've seen yet.