Make 98k Lvl 50 upgrade a G33/40 rifle (a rare 98k)

[WaltherPPK77]

No sight hood isn't an upgrade, it's a downgrade. Here's my suggestion for what the level 50 upgrade should be:

Level 50: G33/40 rifle (Increased melee damage)

All this requires is adding a metal plate to the current 98k model, and poof, it's the ultra-rare G33/40 mountain rifle that was made from 1940-1942. Since this rifle has a reinforced metal butt, you can say the rifle does more melee damage.

 

[Panzer Jager '43]

How about replace the unlocking of opposing side's Bolt Rifles with unlocking your own side's Carbine?

For Germans, when you rank up your Rifleman class, you unlock G33/40 and for Russians the Mosin M38.

 

[panzerfuhrer1331]

why?

why?

Why do you want to give line and motorized infantry a "mountain" weapon where in RO2 we are not playing as mountain troops - this makes as much sense as the Broomhandle Mauser pistol being avail to the rank and file... It doesn't make sense and simply was not how it was. If this were a fansty game like ET then we could use anything - every rifleman could lvl up and get an FG42, but I thought RO2 was to be based on historical reality?!

How it might have gone was for those who level up they get the G41, but it's too late for that now. You could however give the the riflemen an added grenade launcher - as it will take time for them to lvl up, you'll not have that many/too many grenadiers running about thus it will remain semi accurate.

 

[Vesper11]

Will it be useful? Right now rifle barrel can go through walls they should fix that (and tank gun barrel) first. Also metal rifle butt or not it shouldnt be more powerful in melee, its not heavier. Anyway bayo FTW, sometimes even more useful than SMGs.

 

[Jorg Biermann1]

...I thought RO2 was to be based on historical reality?!

We all thought it was supposed to be based on historical accuracy..

Then they added the Mkb42, AVT40, C96, MG34 Saddle Drum, G41 and worst of all the MP40/II.

lol Only one of those is Russian.

 

[Snuffeldjuret]

No sight hood isn't an upgrade, it's a downgrade. ...

I agree, I really miss my sight hood =(. I don't really hate TWI though for removing it (Just to be clear, I don't mean you Walther hate TWI for it. You may do though, I just don't say you do ). I just miss it a lot =(.

 

[Justin MacDuro]

Why do you want to give line and motorized infantry a "mountain" weapon where in RO2 we are not playing as mountain troops - this makes as much sense as the Broomhandle Mauser pistol being avail to the rank and file... It doesn't make sense and simply was not how it was. If this were a fansty game like ET then we could use anything - every rifleman could lvl up and get an FG42, but I thought RO2 was to be based on historical reality?!

How it might have gone was for those who level up they get the G41, but it's too late for that now. You could however give the the riflemen an added grenade launcher - as it will take time for them to lvl up, you'll not have that many/too many grenadiers running about thus it will remain semi accurate.

In fact german mountains troops fought in Stalingrad and around due to some strange decisions ... for example the 3rd Gebirgsjager Division was involved in the German counteratack against the Soviet units that were surrounding Stalingrad an the 6th army ... also some german motorized division were attached to the 6th army and fought at Stalingrad so I can't see any problem to add this weapon since for sure it was in that front and for sure in bigger numbers than the mkb since there was 3 motorized divisions in the 6ht army .

 

[[Mad_Murdock]]

All for this, would make more sense than most unlocks we have now.

 

[THunter]

No sight hood isn't an upgrade, it's a downgrade. Here's my suggestion for what the level 50 upgrade should be:

Level 50: G33/40 rifle (Increased melee damage)

All this requires is adding a metal plate to the current 98k model, and poof, it's the ultra-rare G33/40 mountain rifle that was made from 1940-1942. Since this rifle has a reinforced metal butt, you can say the rifle does more melee damage.

Youre an idiot. The G33/40 is wayyy different than the K98. The G33/40 is not a varitation of the K98. The G33/40 is a totally diffent rifle than the K98. Read up on facts and do some research before posting crap threads.

The standard barrel length on the K98: ~23.62"
The standard barrel length on the G33/40 ~18.63"
G33/40 has buttstock plate. K98 doesnt
G33/30 has different bands and bandspring configuration.
G33/40 has a handguard that extends to the reciever.
G33/40 has a different sight hood.
G33/40 has a flat & hollowed out bolt knob.
G33/40 has a different front/rear sight & sight picture.

The length of the G33/40 is ~5" shorter.

Putting the metal plate on the butt of a K98 doesnt turn it into a G33/40.

Advantages of the G33/40 in real life:
Lighter.
Shorter.
Can be used as an climbing aid.

Disadvantages of the G33/40 real life:
Increased recoil.
Increased muzzle flash.
Reduced accuracy.

Possible advantages in RO2:
Rifleman can sprint faster/longer.
Weapon model has reduced world colision.

Possible disadvantages in RO2:
Reduced accuracy.
Increased recoil.
Increased muzzle flash.

Do I think the G33/40 should be in RO2 now?
NO. Not unless TW properly portrays the G33/40s rarity in Stalingrad , and the loadout/rank/igsignia of Jager/Gebrigsjager infantry.

I would much rather see a Czech Vz.24 or a Gew98m instead of a G33/40 in Stalingrad. I can promise you those two were there in more numbers than the G33/40.

 

[hishnik]

How about replace the unlocking of opposing side's Bolt Rifles with unlocking your own side's Carbine?

For Germans, when you rank up your Rifleman class, you unlock G33/40 and for Russians the Mosin M38.

As THunter mentioned, carbines (and thats what essentially G33/40 was) have increased recoil/muzzleflash, with decreased accuracy (side-note: accuracy dropoff is not somethign we need to worry about, this is beyond 500m)

I think carbines would be cool to see, and perhaps the leveling of one would in the end put on a better muzzlebreak to reduce the recoil/flash.
All in all carbines are better for HoS i would think, we're not dealing with long ranges, you barely ever see a 200m open shot, most of fighting is done at 50m>. So you would benefit from having shorter rifle, with less weight...

Either way, yes to carbines, no to idea of adding only German one.

p.s. i'm biased as i own the M44 carbine, and love it

 

[Panzer Jager '43]

We all thought it was supposed to be based on historical accuracy..

Then they added the Mkb42, AVT40, C96, MG34 Saddle Drum, G41 and worst of all the MP40/II.

The majority of those are unbelievable, but there is however photographic evidence of the G41(w) in Stalingrad, which means it's not unrealistic to include it in the game.

Besides, with all those other weapons (and you left out the "upgrades" that were prototypes or extremely rare) the game is in a current state of pseudo-realism that would permit the implementation of the G33/40 and M38.

On to the G41 picture. Seems I post this picture at least once every month.

Guy in foreground crouching.

 

[DesiQ]

That is a beautiful gun.

 

[WaltherPPK77]

THunter:

Youre an idiot. The G33/40 is wayyy different than the K98. The G33/40 is not a varitation of the K98.

I knew that mate, I just thought more people would read the thread if I simplified a bit. I also wanted to make it seem like a simple implementation rather than mire my description in detail, making it seem an attractive option for tripwire from a development perspective.

I'm sure you have a great deal of knowledge on history and firearms, but the coarseness of your remark, as well as its speedy rudeness has me thinking you're a bit eager to correct others.

 

[THunter]

....the coarseness of your remark, as well as its speedy rudeness has me thinking you're a bit eager to correct others.

Yep my 0.07 posts per day average clearly proves im a troll.


Nothing against you in particular and sorry for coming off as a dick, but Im getting rather tired of seeing illogical, unresearched and farfetched threads/posts in the forums lately.