[Game] Mafia II - Megathread

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Rockstar was owned by Take Two during the development of Grand Theft Auto III, but Illusion Softworks wasn't acquired by them until somewhat recently. The publisher of Mafia was, but I don't think that had any influence into the development of the game.
 

Fedorov

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Why? Vice City is probably one of the funniest games there is short of pure comedy games. A little too derivative of certain Brian De Palma movies at times maybe, but all in all it's very funny. The radio stations alone make it worth playing.

well, to be fair, vice city was the only decent GTA, mainly because of the setting and V-Rock
 

Nenjin

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I totally disagree. GTA 3 almost got more play time than any of them among my friends. Of course I think the largest gap was between GTA 3 and VC.

I enjoyed all of them, except GTA 5, which I've seen and dinked with but never played myself. I think I put the most play time in on San Andreas. And for me, that has the most stuff I enjoyed. (i.e. managing CJ and stuff, gang wars, ect...) All the games are funny, and fun just on the basis of slamming cars into each other and blowing stuff up.
 

Amerikaner

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well, to be fair, vice city was the only decent GTA, mainly because of the setting and V-Rock

Blasphemy. GTA3 is a gaming milestone. Playing that game for the first time was incredible and unlike anything I'd ever played. There hasn't been a bad sequel since and saying GTA4 is merely a graphical enhancement ignores the incredible technical achievement that it is.
 

PNV

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They probably won't, but it would be cool if there are some references throughout the game. However, I'm assuming that the city of Mafia II is in the same fictional United States as Lost Heaven. I would be disappointed if they were in two separate "worlds".
 

Murphy

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Yeah the radio stations and adverts have always been good in the GTA series, but they can only counter so much 'dumbing down' of the game before it just gets a bit too bland for all but the the blind morons.
There is literally no dumbing down throughout the games from GTA2 to GTA IV (haven't played GTA I so I can't comment on that). That's not to say they don't start out pretty dumb :)p) but calling them "bland for all but the blind morons" is needlessly insulting the series and its fans, in my humble opinion.

About one GTA being better than the other, I think the games as games have become better and better with each sequel. Which one you like most though depends a lot on the setting (among other factors as usual, like which one you played first, etc.).

And yes, I agree, Mafia is far from a mere GTA clone. It's the same genre, which was founded by GTA, so it follows the same basic premise of having a huge city open to the player with cars driving around in it for the player to steal, but that's pretty much where the similarities end. From the way to get the cars over how they're driven and how combat works over how much more of a center stage on-foot combat takes to the way the missions and the narrative is structured... it's completely different.
That it's set in a different era and has its city evolve as the years in the story progress only sets it apart further.
 

Fedorov

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Blasphemy. GTA3 is a gaming milestone. Playing that game for the first time was incredible and unlike anything I'd ever played. There hasn't been a bad sequel since and saying GTA4 is merely a graphical enhancement ignores the incredible technical achievement that it is.

I don't say the opposite, but I personally hate the GTAs (except Vice City), I just find their settings unattractive and depressing. Which is more of a matter of personal perception. The games themselves might be good, but I'll still hate them. (haven't played GTA4, but I heard is in the line of the first GTA3 in that sense, so I'll pass)
 

Grobut

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Blasphemy. GTA3 is a gaming milestone. Playing that game for the first time was incredible and unlike anything I'd ever played. There hasn't been a bad sequel since and saying GTA4 is merely a graphical enhancement ignores the incredible technical achievement that it is.

Eh, that's rather subjective, and which you find the best can vary quite a bit, especially amongst players who find the storyline the main draw of the series, and thouse who find the sandbox elements the main draw.

The old 2D games stand as classics, fun timewasters if you can get them to run, nothing you'd take too seriously, just some fun nostalgia really.

GTA3 was a milestone, i think anyone can agree on that, but that's not to say that anyone would care to replay it thease days, i certainly would not, it was an amazing leap for sandbox gaming, but the game has it's share of problems and pitfalls, and since it nolonger wow's us for it's technical achievement, it falls rather flat as a game today, it hasen't aged well at all.

GTA:VC is more controversial, a lot of players who find storyline the main draw of the series feel that it is the best, but many more didn't care for it's theme, and for sandbox lovers, it's only a minor improvement from the first one, there wasen't much more to do, and thus they found the game rather forgettable.

GTA:SA was a huge step up in sandbox terms, offering much more variety, space, and things to do, and as such is often considdered the best amongst players who are drawn to the sandbox element of the series, but there's not much consensus apart from that, some people loved the "Bloods vs Crips" theme, others hated it, many feel the storyline was a little thinner than VC's (more filler not as much substance), and a lot of it's gameplay is controversial, such as the girlfreinds and turf wars, some people loved that, others found it really annoying.

GTA4 is a can of worms.. it's very love it or hate it, name any element of the game, and you'll find lots of people out there who loved it for it, or who where repulsed by it, and that includes it's graphics, it's everything you could care to mention, from theme, to control layout to gameplay mechanics, difficulty curve, driving physics, anything really.
Depending on who you ask, they will usually praise it as the best of the series, or decry it as the absolute worst, with only a few sitting on the fence saying "it was rather meh, ok i guess", it's usually love or hate.
 

PNV

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Grand Theft Auto IV did a great job of building a modern metropolis, but I feel that Vice City and San Andreas thrive on nostalgia and the pop culture which defined their respective time periods. I don't feel any longing for the post 9/11 period, and while it does provide a good setting for a dark and serious story, I don't think that is what many people were expecting in a Grand Theft Auto game.
 

Murphy

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I think they did a great job of mocking modern radio stations in GTA IV but my reaction to it is more like "I see what you're getting at and I hate it too when they do this" than the hearty chuckles I got out of fake PSAs like "Your son could be a red" in or the Vietnam movie trailers with lines such as "I'll cry when I'm done killin'".
It's just a lot more cynical in GTA IV, I feel. The general vibe seems to have changed from "remember how silly this was" to "see how disgusting this is".

Personally, I think it's funny albeit a different funny than VC, so I can see how people who liked the older games' stations for what they were could dislike GTA IV's.
 

Grobut

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I think they did a great job of mocking modern radio stations in GTA IV but my reaction to it is more like "I see what you're getting at and I hate it too when they do this" than the hearty chuckles I got out of fake PSAs like "Your son could be a red" in or the Vietnam movie trailers with lines such as "I'll cry when I'm done killin'".
It's just a lot more cynical in GTA IV, I feel. The general vibe seems to have changed from "remember how silly this was" to "see how disgusting this is".

Personally, I think it's funny albeit a different funny than VC, so I can see how people who liked the older games' stations for what they were could dislike GTA IV's.

Actually, you could say the same about allmost anything in GTA4, it seems they tried to make the whole game more serious, dark, gritty, meaty, realist, whatever you want to call it, everything about it has a very different tone than the older games, even basic mechanical things like how you fist fight feels very different.

Personally, it all fell flat for me, i don't think this was a good direction to take the franchise, and i don't think the game is very fun, infact it irked and annoyed me, indeed, i really hated it and still do.


To me, GTA was at its best when it was goofy and over the top, when it just said "here's a flamethrower and a car, have fun now ya hear!", and GTA4 just doesen't do that, it's not much of a sandbox game at all, sure it has many mini-games, which it will constantly force down your throat like a bad case of strepthroat via the bloody cellphone.. but that's not sandbox, less so when you force them on us every 10 minutes, but outside of that it offers very little that is actually fun.

Indeed it feels like a wholly linear game that you are supposed to play for it's storyline only, all be it one that takes place in less restrictive surroundings than most games of that nature, but it is by no means a game that invites you to just go nuts, and have some fun with things, atleast it never invited me to do anything of the sort, as it just wasen't fun, and the blasted cellphone wont leave you alone long enough to go exploring and causing mayhem.

Meh, if this is the direction the franchise is going, then i say good riddance, gimme some more Saints Row!


As for MafiaII, well, time will tell..
 

Hirmuinen

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Actually, you could say the same about allmost anything in GTA4, it seems they tried to make the whole game more serious, dark, gritty, meaty, realist, whatever you want to call it, everything about it has a very different tone than the older games, even basic mechanical things like how you fist fight feels very different.

Personally, it all fell flat for me, i don't think this was a good direction to take the franchise, and i don't think the game is very fun, infact it irked and annoyed me, indeed, i really hated it and still do.

To me GTA4 was the best in the serie, just because it took more realistic approach. Story was interesting and had couple of really awesome missions, like the bank robbery, and it's the only GTA that kept me playing it and made me wish that it would have lasted little longer. It missed the end game though, which was a huge letdown.

It all came down to bad performance though. I had pretty smooth frames, but still, it had potential to be so much more only if Rockstar would have put more effort into making the PC version.

Mafia2 look's to be much better performance wise and I'm really looking forward to it. Hopefully it won't be a console port.
 

Colt .45 killer

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yeah the only reason i said what i said about GTA4 was because they removed many of the sandbox elements :eek:wning property, modifying cars, keeping vehicles in garages etc: out for gta 4. I would have appreciated the game much more had they enhanced all of those and let you buy property, starting with that large garage in hove beach where you get jumped by the cops early in the game....

Many large houses have opening garage doors like this was an idea early in the game, and then they just dropped it...
 

Uurastaja

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Story was interesting and had couple of really awesome missions, like the bank robbery

From all "3D" GTA games, the story in GTAIV is most bland in my opinion. The missions couldn't be more repetitive and it's frustrating to hang out with those other characters. It felt boring and depressing, to be honest.
 

Grobut

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To me GTA4 was the best in the serie, just because it took more realistic approach. Story was interesting and had couple of really awesome missions, like the bank robbery, and it's the only GTA that kept me playing it and made me wish that it would have lasted little longer. It missed the end game though, which was a huge letdown.

Like i said, it's very love or hate, which Colt .45 killer's and Uurastaja's posts further demonstrates, people either loved it or it fell flat for them.

There is one obvious deviding line, and thats people who are in it for the story, and thouse who are in it for the sandbox, i'm guessing you belong to the first catagory (correct me if i'm wrong), as you only expressed interest in the games storyline, and expressed that the game was over for you when the story was over, i on the other hand am in this for the sandbox, thats the main reason i play thease games, every once in a while i'll do the missions to spice things up a bit and do something different (or to unlock stuff), but thats all the missions are to me, diversions, something else to do in the sandbox, and i'll continue playing long after the storyline is over (assuming the game has a fun sandbox).

GTA4 had no chance in hell with players like me though, because it's a pretty bad sandbox game, with not much to do, barely any variety, mechanics that are not well suited to sandboxing, and the game constantly interrupts you and says "ohh i see you are not playing a mission, then i better give you one, here, take your cousin out to see big American titties".. *sigh*, apparently, Rockstar hasen't figured out what made their games good, namely the fact that it could be a good game to both thease types of players, that it could have both a good storyline worth playing it for, and a good sandbox worth playing it for, they where allmost two games in one, and thats just brilliant! but GTA4 is just the one game, a story driven one, and you'd be mad as a hatter if you played this for its sandbox, moreso when there are good sandboxes out there like SR2 and JC2.


So the game was practically stillborn for one half of their fanbase, that's really not a smart move, and i think we can all see the logic in that, the game could have had the exact same storyline AND a better sandbox, it would not have broken the game in any way, it could only have broadened it's appeal for more players, but the story itself is also a bit of a hot potato, as it too seems to have this "love it or hate it" effect, as does it's gameplay mechanics..

I guess in some way i should commend them for taking a risk with the game and making something that is very focused, quite different from its roots, and definately knows what it wants to be.. but i can't help feeling they have missed the point of this sort of game in doing so, that they have taken a concept, the story supported sandbox game, and shoehorned it into another genre, the linear story driven shooter (but with much more driving), eh, i just don't see how this is a good GTA game, i can see how some will find it a good story driven game, certainly, if that's your bag then i can see why people would like it, that makes perfect sense to me, but i don't see it as a good GTA game, as it's practically only half of the concept at play here, the other half of the concept is so poorly exicuted that it's barely worth mention, and the game practically seems hell bend on preventing you from using that half anyway (*ring ring* lets go see titties and play darts!).
 

KrazyKraut

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Hah, I only played GTA I and II. And I suck at both. But my brother has played the whole series I think. And to say the dumbed it down for the morons is a very bland and stupid thing to say imo. Clearly GTA III and so on are marvels of complexity when compared to the first two lol

As far as the missions and the story goes. From third perspective it seems there is very little difference between the later 3D installments (VC, SA, IV...), so it's more or less up to personal preference as it seems.

But the presentation and the sandbox part got a lot better with IV and I even enjoyed just watching my brother play it.