[Game] Mafia II - Megathread

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REZ

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I just watched that physics video posted above.. two bullets from a handgun and the car explodes into a mini-mushroom cloud??

Game developers think we're all 9 year old boys dont they.. When are we going to get games for adults?
 

PNV

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I just watched that physics video posted above.. two bullets from a handgun and the car explodes into a mini-mushroom cloud??

Game developers think we're all 9 year old boys dont they.. When are we going to get games for adults?

This only happens when you shoot the gas panel, but I have no idea if that can happen in real life.
 

REZ

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Yeeeah, well, to continue with my particular brand of dissatisfied vitriol would just be an invite to derail the thread.. but I think you missed the point. Forget I said anything. Crazy ranting man. These arent the droids you're looking for.
 

Grobut

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This only happens when you shoot the gas panel, but I have no idea if that can happen in real life.

It can't, not with regular ammo, the Mythbusters even did a show on it, they turned a gastank into swiss cheese and nothing happened except leaking.

Tracer, incendiary and explosive tipped rounds can ignite the petrol though, but the odds of a cars gastank instantly exploding rather than just catching on fire seems rather small, as cars don't have self-sealing gastanks that could trap the fire inside.
But thease ammo types are hardly common or easy to come by, least of all in pistol calibers ;)
 

PNV

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Hmm, that's interesting, thanks for the info. Then REZ your rant is in ways justified.

I don't remember what it took to get a car to explode in the original Mafia, but I rarely saw it without molotov cocktails. I hope that exploding cars don't become a common sight in Mafia II.
 

nath2009uk

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Hmm, that's interesting, thanks for the info. Then REZ your rant is in ways justified.

I don't remember what it took to get a car to explode in the original Mafia, but I rarely saw it without molotov cocktails. I hope that exploding cars don't become a common sight in Mafia II.

One thing I remember doing in Mafia 1 was parking my car in an alley way and firing all my Tommy gun rounds into it.
I can't remember how many it took before it set on fire, but it was atleast 50 IIRC.
 

Amerikaner

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The car blowing up thing is for sure pretty lame. Luckily it doesn't happen too often. On some car models it seems harder to hit the tank. I've put 100's of tommy rounds all over a few cars and nothing happened. Others blow up immediately.
 

REZ

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I just dont understand how a development crew can spend all that time to make such a beautiful environment, put all the effort into making the clothes flow correctly, to bring a feeling of being in a real space and timeframe, etc.. to then add something like that to the game. They really do think we're all 9 year old boys.

..and my rant wasnt even about that specifically. Everyone knows you can't get a car to blow up by shooting it with a freakin pistol, let alone causing a minor nuclear visual effect when it does blow up. Why make a game based in reality if you arent going to stick to it fully? With Sci-fi/Fantasy, the only boundries are the ones you create for your particular world, no problem, but if you're going to go real... stick to it! Its insulting to the intelligence of the player and the development team. Thats why the only conclusion for me is they must think prepubescent kids are the ones playing these titles; kids who need big explosions and over-the-top gunfights.

Imagine this game if it played out like the real Mafia.. You could be Elliot Ness and The Untouchables on one side of the single-player (hunting down evidence and lesser mobsters in order to nail Big Al) and Al Capone and his crew on the other (working your way up to a made man within the organization while dodging the G-Men); actual deep storylines, connection to whats going on much like watching a movie, but participating in it.

..then it gets even more confusing cause no kid is going to be able to afford a machine strong enough to play something like this. So what the hell? What's the target audience for a game like this? 20-somethings who only know Mafia related info from Hollywood movies and at the same time dont mind being patronized with gratuitous explosions and prolonged gunfights/Playboy magazines? Where are the games for the savvy adults? Theres a huge market of educated 30+ year olds who've been gaming since the Atari 2600 and they've seen all this slop a thousand times. We need some adult themes, real connection through deeper stories, more complexity, continuity, etc..
 
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D3terioNation

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Knew I wouldnt enjoy it anyway but DAIIMN!! was it lame!

Awful AI and overall uninspiring experience.

I dont think its fair to kick off about the exploding autos tho, as we all saw it in the preview videos... thats when I decided this was gonna be ****e!

Red dead had much more convinving looking characters then this. The eyes looked dead as **** and the textures looked well dated!

Anyhoo not my bag...
 

Fedorov

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I was looking forward to this, but after the trailer with the exploding cars, my interest dropped to the point that I wont even try the demo...

Is it really that bad?

:IS2::IS2:
 

Reddog

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This is strange, I was just playing it and I laid a whole magazine from a Thompson into a car and it didn't explode, in fact I haven't even exploded one yet!
 

Amerikaner

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I just dont understand how a development crew can spend all that time to make such a beautiful environment, put all the effort into making the clothes flow correctly, to bring a feeling of being in a real space and timeframe, etc.. to then add something like that to the game. They really do think we're all 9 year old boys.

..and my rant wasnt even about that specifically. Everyone knows you can't get a car to blow up by shooting it with a freakin pistol, let alone causing a minor nuclear visual effect when it does blow up. Why make a game based in reality if you arent going to stick to it fully? With Sci-fi/Fantasy, the only boundries are the ones you create for your particular world, no problem, but if you're going to go real... stick to it! Its insulting to the intelligence of the player and the development team. Thats why the only conclusion for me is they must think prepubescent kids are the ones playing these titles; kids who need big explosions and over-the-top gunfights.

Imagine this game if it played out like the real Mafia.. You could be Elliot Ness and The Untouchables on one side of the single-player (hunting down evidence and lesser mobsters in order to nail Big Al) and Al Capone and his crew on the other (working your way up to a made man within the organization while dodging the G-Men); actual deep storylines, connection to whats going on much like watching a movie, but participating in it.

..then it gets even more confusing cause no kid is going to be able to afford a machine strong enough to play something like this. So what the hell? What's the target audience for a game like this? 20-somethings who only know Mafia related info from Hollywood movies and at the same time dont mind being patronized with gratuitous explosions and prolonged gunfights/Playboy magazines? Where are the games for the savvy adults? Theres a huge market of educated 30+ year olds who've been gaming since the Atari 2600 and they've seen all this slop a thousand times. We need some adult themes, real connection through deeper stories, more complexity, continuity, etc..

I love your post and agree we need realistic, adult themed games and that indeed Mafia 2 would be better if it stuck to complete realism. HOWEVER, that does not at all mean Mafia 2 is a bad game. It's extremely polished and fun regardless of its action bent.

D3terioNation...dated textures?...really? Wtf game are you playing?

No, Federov it's not as bad as the hate in here is suggesting. At least try the demo.
 
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PNV

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The game is not bad, it's a lot better than some of the games I've played in the past year, but there are a few things that really bother me (listed on the previous page). But that's my personal opinion, and I don't doubt that this game will be well-received by the press and by those who have been looking for an action filled Mafia-themed game.

I was planning on buying this immediately on release day, but after playing the demo I'm going to be playing the waiting game. I would really like to see if the game is moddable, which would be a major plus and may influence me to buy it.
 

SiC-Disaster

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This is strange, I was just playing it and I laid a whole magazine from a Thompson into a car and it didn't explode, in fact I haven't even exploded one yet!

When starting the demo mission, shoot your MG at the car on the right.
Just put a streak from left to right through it, it'll explode once you hit a specific zone. It's really easy to set off, while the left car takes some more finding the gas tank.
 

Amerikaner

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I was expecting better..

You were expecting better than this?

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You have some pretty ridiculous expectations.
 

Nezzer

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I also don't like the fuel-tank weak spot thing, but it won't screw with the whole game IMO. Having MG42, MP-40, Kar98, Beretta 38 SMG, M1 Garand, Thompson M1A1, M3A1 Grease Gun and C96 in the game compensate this feature :D