That isn't exactly compelling evidence when for all intents and purposes the G41 and G43 were the same gun(visually)
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Luger, G43, and MG42?
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That isn't exactly compelling evidence when for all intents and purposes the G41 and G43 were the same gun(visually)
The MG42 will be there eventually almost certainly. I thought they were saying if it could have been there, it will be here. Well, it was there in small numbers, but there none the less.
Plus it's quite possibly the defining Axis weapon of WWII. It'd be wrong to not have it in just because it is that badass. It doesn't need to worry about time, it's that awesome.
Plus it's quite possibly the defining Axis weapon of WWII. It'd be wrong to not have it in just because it is that badass. It doesn't need to worry about time, it's that awesome.
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The MG42 was in Stalingrad I believe, just not in large numbers.
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They are not visually the same. There are considerable differences in both appearance and operation.
But those who are not pasionate about weapons would not know this.
Similarily I could tell the difference at a glance between an Md.63 and an original AK-47.
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This is quite true, which is why I have little doubt tripwire will release it with some free DLC eventually.
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No, the MG42 was far fewer numbers that those other weapons. Even by the scanty evidence we've been discussing these past pages it was rare compared to those.
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G43 should be added for mappers that want later war fights, and yes, there are big differences between it and the G41. The G41 was clip-loaded ONLY!. The G43 had the first 3 magazines swapped out, and after it was exhausted, doctrine was to revert back to clip-loading. The G43 is definitely a lot less difficult to shoot, as it was a lighter, less front-heavy weapon. In terms of game mechanics, you should be able to do better in closer in fights, have a faster reload time early on, but more recoil.
Also the G43 was a decent DMR.
Also the G43 was a decent DMR.
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Theres no evidence that the Mkb42 was even in Stalingrad. The Mkb42 was given to SS troops and mainly the 5.SS Wiking.
The G41 was produced in low numbers and was such a fail of a weapon the Germans hated it and didn't use it. This is why the much improved G43 was made in 1943.
The AVT40 was even worse than the G41, It jammed very very often and the recoil was uncontrolable, so like the Germans with the G41, they hated the AVT and didn't use it.
I also found this on Axis History Forums, It's the production numbers of the MG34 and MG42
MG34
1939 44,181
1940 59,224
1941 85,156
1942 67,363
1943 51,045
1944 62,051
1945 19,647
MG42
1942 15,999
1943 119,875
1944 215,207
1945 42,494
MG34/41
1942 1,707
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So much dangerous half knowledge in one place... 
The G41 and the G43 look quite different, however in gameplay terms they would be the same except the reload mechanism. The first G43s reached the front in October 1943, however, by the end of the year only 20 (!) had made it to the front line. The G41 might very well have been in Stalingrad. Real "mass" issue only started in 1943 though (it remained rare though). It was kept in production until well into 1944.
The MG42 was at Stalingrad. AFAIk it was first used in Africa as early as May 1942. It certainly was used in Tunisia 1943. The document posted in this thread proves that some were in Stalingrad.
The MkB42 was NOT in Stalingrad. Not "a few", not "you can't disprove it" it was just not there. The first trial started in April 1943. The weapons were send to Army Group Norht, meaning they were used around Leningrad. They were not send to SS Divisions, but normal Heer divisions, as the SS was not involved int he development of the prototype. At the time the MKB42 was tested, the improved MP43 was already developed. After good feedback, it was put into mass production.
I don't know about the AVT40.
The G41 and the G43 look quite different, however in gameplay terms they would be the same except the reload mechanism. The first G43s reached the front in October 1943, however, by the end of the year only 20 (!) had made it to the front line. The G41 might very well have been in Stalingrad. Real "mass" issue only started in 1943 though (it remained rare though). It was kept in production until well into 1944.
The MG42 was at Stalingrad. AFAIk it was first used in Africa as early as May 1942. It certainly was used in Tunisia 1943. The document posted in this thread proves that some were in Stalingrad.
The MkB42 was NOT in Stalingrad. Not "a few", not "you can't disprove it" it was just not there. The first trial started in April 1943. The weapons were send to Army Group Norht, meaning they were used around Leningrad. They were not send to SS Divisions, but normal Heer divisions, as the SS was not involved int he development of the prototype. At the time the MKB42 was tested, the improved MP43 was already developed. After good feedback, it was put into mass production.
I don't know about the AVT40.
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I think TWI have more or less acquiesced on this issue, and have included the assault rifle prototype as a bit of poetic licence so as to add something a bit different (and still plausible, if not indeed historical) to the game. The StG 44 was a very powerful and popular weapon in both RO and DH, so having a rudimentary version was probably a fairly unanimous developer decision. Clearly TWI have to try and balance realism with gameplay balance, and the MKb 42(H) was likely a compromise.
That said, its inclusion certainly warrants that of the MG 42 and the Luger 08.
Oh, and ultimately - and far more importantly - the Tiger.
That said, its inclusion certainly warrants that of the MG 42 and the Luger 08.
Oh, and ultimately - and far more importantly - the Tiger.
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The G41(w) was absolutely in Stalingrad. I have seen a number of pictures of German Infantry clearly fighting in the factory districts in which atleast 1 has a very distinctive G41.
Edit: Man crouching nearest the camera undoubtly has a G41.
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Actually that G41 that is in that photo, may not be the G41 we have in game The G41 we have in-game is the Gewehr 41 (W) The Walther Prototype of the self-loading rifle. The one in that photo maybe the Gewehr 41 (M) The Mauser prototype. The gas trap at the muzzle seems very large for the Walther model, compare the noticeably larger Mauser version with the Walther in these photos.
Too tough to call though, as there does appear to be a protruding bolt handle not present on the Mauser, let the debate begin!:
Mauser:
Walther:
The G41 we have in-game is the Gewehr 41 (W) The Walther Prototype of the self-loading rifle. The one in that photo maybe the Gewehr 41 (M) The Mauser prototype. The gas trap at the muzzle seems very large for the Walther model, compare the noticeably larger Mauser version with the Walther in these photos.Too tough to call though, as there does appear to be a protruding bolt handle not present on the Mauser, let the debate begin!:
Mauser:
Walther:
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This is the Anti tank's sidearm: A mauser c96
Why only restrict it to AT ? SL and Commander class should have one as well.
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