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Dietrich Graf

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What the hell are you talking about?

Dude, please tell me you are kidding.

What is this entire thread about? Laws. Who makes law? The state does. All laws have untended consequences and never can be enforced so long as there is exist a demand for what is being banned by the state. This thread is proof that we are all (well everyone expect casual gamers) rational consumers looking out for our own self interest(s) (people that don't even know each other engaging in a contractual agreement to buy and then gift the non-edited version of the game to a total stranger). We all understand that a large community ensures that we have populated servers and that TWI makes enough money to continue the franchise. We all win and everyone is happier because of it.

Am I the only one that sees how awesome this thread is, even though some of our European brothers have to jump through hoops to play the non-edited version?
 

Cpt-Praxius

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Dude, please tell me you are kidding.

What is this entire thread about? Laws. Who makes law? The state does. All laws have untended consequences and never can be enforced so long as there is exist a demand for what is being banned by the state. This thread is proof that we are all (well everyone expect casual gamers) rational consumers looking out for our own self interest(s) (people that don't even know each other engaging in a contractual agreement to buy and then gift the non-edited version of the game to a total stranger). We all understand that a large community ensures that we have populated servers and that TWI makes enough money to continue the franchise. We all win and everyone is happier because of it.

Am I the only one that sees how awesome this thread is, even though some of our European brothers have to jump through hoops to play the non-edited version?

Yeah, but none of that has much to do with "Capitalism"

Capitalism relating to this game and the laws in certain countries only relates to giving or keeping your money based on a decision that would force a business to sway to the market's demands. What you describe above doesn't make much sense towards Capitalism as although you're getting people in another country to get the version you want, you're still giving your money to Tripwire & Valve for basically the same product..... and what laws and restrictions they have to adhere to in each country is out of their powers, thus even if you hold onto your money and refuse to pay them for a censored version of the game, it won't change anything because they can't do much about the situation.

You're only circumventing government restrictions and laws relating to gore restrictions, thus capitalism has very little to do with the situation.

This thread relates to Democracy and the ability for the individual to have freedom to determine what they should or shouldn't be exposed to or use..... but there are many levels of Democracy, from complete freedom and choice in a nation based on the people to being based on the government the people voted into power.

The countries in question are Democracies and that's why others in here are saying for the people to put pressure on their governments to do what they believe is the right thing.

By just using loopholes of getting someone in another country to get the version you want is not really a solution to the overall problem and does not in anyway, force their governments to change their views, because this tactic is under their radar.
 
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Dietrich Graf

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Yeah, but none of that has much to do with "Capitalism"

Capitalism relating to this game and the laws in certain countries only relates to giving or keeping your money based on a decision that would force a business to sway to the market's demands. What you describe above doesn't make much sense towards Capitalism as although you're getting people in another country to get the version you want, you're still giving your money to Tripwire & Valve for basically the same product..... and what laws and restrictions they have to adhere to in each country is out of their powers, thus even if you hold onto your money and refuse to pay them for a censored version of the game, it won't change anything because they can't do much about the situation.

You're only circumventing government restrictions and laws relating to gore restrictions, thus capitalism has very little to do with the situation.

This thread relates to Democracy and the ability for the individual to have freedom to determine what they should or shouldn't be exposed to or use..... but there are many levels of Democracy, from complete freedom and choice in a nation based on the people to being based on the government the people voted into power.

The countries in question are Democracies and that's why others in here are saying for the people to put pressure on their governments to do what they believe is the right thing.

By just using loopholes of getting someone in another country to get the version you want is not really a solution to the overall problem and does not in anyway, force their governments to change their views, because this tactic is under their radar.

Is not market equilibrium essentially democracy?

As far as democracy goes, most of us DO NOT live in a democracy. Since I'm from the United States and live in Texas, I live in what's called a Constitutional Republic. I highly doubt anyone of us would want to live in a Democracy since it's nothing more than mob rule.
 
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Cpt-Praxius

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Is not market equilibrium essentially democracy?

Yes and no, and Market Equilibrium is not specifically Capitalism either.

On top of that, economic equilibrium, as noted in your above link's description does not exactly tie into this specific problem either. It focuses mostly on supply & demand, as well as balancing the price of a product.

In this case, the amount of demand and the amount of supply remains the same, as does the price for the most part. The only difference is the version of the game you want for the price you are paying, which is being worked around by getting the version you want from another country.

The amount of copies of this game being sold basically remains the same, Tripwire still gains profit and there is no pressure on the government to change their laws & restrictions, because there is nothing putting them at a disadvantage or having an ecomonic impact by using the above tactic, thus nothing really changes, their laws will probably remain in place as they are and Devs like Tripwire will still have to go through these hoops of editing their games to meet country's laws & regulations.

As far as democracy goes, most of us DO NOT live in a democracy. Since I'm from the United States and live in Texas, I live in what's called a Constitutional Republic. I highly doubt anyone of us would want to live in a Democracy since it's nothing more than mob rule.

I'm aware of the US's Republic system, but it still uses certain Democratic methods..... countries like the UK, Canada and Australia use what's called a "Parliamentary Democracy"

No one country is run completely as Democratic, Socialist, Communist, etc.... they use mostly one system over another, but balanced out with aspects from another system to make it work.

Countries like Canada, as an example, are what most would consider as a Socialist-Democracy, where certain services are run by the state (Medical care, etc.)

And while the US doesn't like the idea of Universal Health Coverage and think it's an evil Socialist system..... keep in mind that the US still uses Socialist systems to keep the country running as it is. You pay taxes for Firemen to put out fires, for police to protect your communities, the military that defends your nation, to things like standard road work on your highways.

Without those socialist traits, you'd have to pull out your wallet and pay firemen before they hooked up one hose, police would only protect those who pay them, and your soldiers would be mercenaries available to the highest bidder.

No one single country in the western world is pure Democratic, because there does need to be balance to cover "Mob Rule"...... but when looking at a country as a whole, they're more a Democracy than some other system, and that's what people mean by calling a nation a Democracy.

Capitalism certainly isn't perfect on its own either, just look at what happened in the recent global economic crisis.... when you leave the markets to regulate themselves and do as they please, crap like that can happen because a few bad apples will take advantage of the situation, just as a few bad apples would take advantage of mob rule democracy, just as they would take advantage of a completely communist or socialist government.

And that's why many nations are a blend of many of the above traits of each system...... simply because no one system is perfect.

If one of those systems were, than we'd all be using that one system and wouldn't have anything to complain about.
 
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Impact86

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I got my copy of uncensored RO2 gifted by Moyako, and now it reads ROW version, and not DE version.
 

Luckz

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This is why I LOVE Capitalism!

Go ahead you adherents of statism. Create your draconian laws that are supposedly created to protect us from ourselves. We will rise up and create platforms to deliver those products you detest and want to ban from the face of the earth.

Capitalism = TWI/1C censor a game to sell more copies.
So no, you, Sir, do not get it.
 
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Chrissd21

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And that's why many nations are a blend of many of the above traits of each system...... simply because no one system is perfect.

For instance, Australia uses a Russian version of democracy, one man to one vote. Where the one man is currently a collusion between a few indeps and a minor party who hold the vote, regardless of whatever the general public voted for. :p

Nah, the thread isn't really democracy, capitalism, censorship.. More like if RO2 was uncensored in Aus would Aussies get upgraded from the LV version (same goes for Germany, although.. Good luck.), and is the LV version compatible with every other version. Simple.

To the best of my knowledge, the answer to those are I don't know and looks like it. Could be a moot point if the game did indeed get an MA15+ rating in Aus, but while the AU Steam store has removed the LV version, the preorder in my library no longer links to the store page so problems can still ensue. Germany still has those issues tho.