Harry S. Truman said:
Hey, if i'm defending, and i see a huge smoke cloud on a part of the map where i know it's indian country, i emtpy a clip in. Nothing wrong about that.
Limit smoke nades a bit more
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Hey, if i'm defending, and i see a huge smoke cloud on a part of the map where i know it's indian country, i emtpy a clip in. Nothing wrong about that.
Well everyone seems to be complaining about the use of smoke grenades but you guys seem to be overlooking the fact that the Soviets rarely ever had any smoke grenades. In the first place only the Germans frequented the use of smoke grenades so I suggest limiting the Soviet sg for realism.
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jedinstven-o crni Wuk said:
That's the problem.
It changes gameplay quote a lot, but the maps are the same, so there sometimes is a limited way you can counter things, which makes it more difficult in some places for defenders. They are left without much opportunity if they can't recap.
Harry S. Truman said:
A limit to one nade WILL improve tactics. And I said I liked them too, but 2 nades are overkill.
Drude said:
This isnt clan play we are talking about. Inorder to bring a more organized, tactical, and teamwork based play among the pubbies, limits must be imposed to help guide it along. Everyone will enjoy the game more because of it.
One smoke nade and one frag nade is not a bad loadout if you ask me. Not a heavy restriction of the player asset, while still completly allowing the commander to be in a very useful, leadership role.
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Hey Guys Hey Guys Hey Guys
It's A Smoke Grenade
It Is Smoke.
It Is Not Poison Gas.
At The End Of The Day It Is My Well-placed Bullet That Does You In, Not A Smoke Grenade.
IF YOU GUYS ARE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH SMOKE GRENADES YOU MUST NOT KNOW HOW TO FIRE YOUR BULLETS CORRECTLY.
It's A Smoke Grenade
It Is Smoke.
It Is Not Poison Gas.
At The End Of The Day It Is My Well-placed Bullet That Does You In, Not A Smoke Grenade.
IF YOU GUYS ARE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH SMOKE GRENADES YOU MUST NOT KNOW HOW TO FIRE YOUR BULLETS CORRECTLY.
A smoke grenade doesn't belong in everyone's hands in all maps. They were used by the Germans in special conditions (for surprise or to blind the enemy) and the Soviets had like I stated before had very little or virtually non existant use of the smoke grenade. I believe they started using smoke grenades in the late war but again very limited use.
All I am saying is instead of the "commander" getting smoke grenades on every map how about making it so on specific maps like Stalingrad the commander gets the choice of spawning with the smoke grenades. It would greatly improve the realism which is my problem with the smoke grenade. I really don't care that everyone spams them everywhere. Its not a problem but historically that was inaccuarte and RO is meant to be accuarte.
All I am saying is instead of the "commander" getting smoke grenades on every map how about making it so on specific maps like Stalingrad the commander gets the choice of spawning with the smoke grenades. It would greatly improve the realism which is my problem with the smoke grenade. I really don't care that everyone spams them everywhere. Its not a problem but historically that was inaccuarte and RO is meant to be accuarte.
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lazermane, wern't you the guy who was trying to say that the Russians rode on top of BA 64s during battle?
uhm, if you can't ever see me you can't shoot me, and I'll just capture the objective, when the smoke clears you might shoot me, but I will already have capped so in the end we both lose.
uhm, if you can't ever see me you can't shoot me, and I'll just capture the objective, when the smoke clears you might shoot me, but I will already have capped so in the end we both lose.
LazerMane said:
What does a proposed limit to the overuse of smoke in its current situation have to do with knowing how to fire the guns? Firing your gun doesnt change the fact that 2 smokes each respawn still "feel" (and in play are) too excessive on most RO maps.
But thanks for your theory.
http://www.redorchestragame.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10797
Someone who actually did something about it rather than sitting in a thread and complaining/debating. Seriously guys if you are honest to God upset about the new Booster pack changes, just mod it!
Someone who actually did something about it rather than sitting in a thread and complaining/debating. Seriously guys if you are honest to God upset about the new Booster pack changes, just mod it!
Smokes are a valuable contribution to this game. It makes it more realistic and challenging. Finally a WW2 shooter that has smoke nades!!!!
I think I have a good suggestion regarding the limiting of smoke grenades.
I used to be of the opinion that as far as games go, the more options the better. I no longer believe that. While modding and mutating is the greatest thing since sliced bread it ought not to be the way that problems are fixed. There is a problem with smoke grenades spam and I am as guilty of it as anyone.
However, I do think that smoke grenades are, in fact, quite tactical. I've seen mentioned that as a fix, smoke grenades should be limited to one per spawn. I do not think this is the correct solution. In order for smoke grenades to be realistic and tactical they shouldn't be used to make a smoke "cloud" but rather as a smoke "screen." In order to make a nice screen often two grenades need to be thrown 30 feet apart at the same time. Of course there should be the option of a mapper to give the commander only one smoke per spawn if is a small map.
Instead, the way that I recommend fixing smoke grenade spam is the same way in which artillery spam is limited in RO. That is, by a per round basis instead of a per spawn basis. In other words, commanders still spawn with two smoke grenades, but there is a limited number that can be thrown per round, dependent on the map.
In addition, when a commander dies he should not drop any unused smoke grenades. The reason being that a common soldier would probably not have the authorization to use smoke grenades without his CO consent. The easiest way to realistically portray this would be just to have the smoke grenades not be dropped.
There would have to be some notice on the commanders HUD telling him how many he has for the rest of the round in addition to how many he has on his person.
Thoughts?
I used to be of the opinion that as far as games go, the more options the better. I no longer believe that. While modding and mutating is the greatest thing since sliced bread it ought not to be the way that problems are fixed. There is a problem with smoke grenades spam and I am as guilty of it as anyone.
However, I do think that smoke grenades are, in fact, quite tactical. I've seen mentioned that as a fix, smoke grenades should be limited to one per spawn. I do not think this is the correct solution. In order for smoke grenades to be realistic and tactical they shouldn't be used to make a smoke "cloud" but rather as a smoke "screen." In order to make a nice screen often two grenades need to be thrown 30 feet apart at the same time. Of course there should be the option of a mapper to give the commander only one smoke per spawn if is a small map.
Instead, the way that I recommend fixing smoke grenade spam is the same way in which artillery spam is limited in RO. That is, by a per round basis instead of a per spawn basis. In other words, commanders still spawn with two smoke grenades, but there is a limited number that can be thrown per round, dependent on the map.
In addition, when a commander dies he should not drop any unused smoke grenades. The reason being that a common soldier would probably not have the authorization to use smoke grenades without his CO consent. The easiest way to realistically portray this would be just to have the smoke grenades not be dropped.
There would have to be some notice on the commanders HUD telling him how many he has for the rest of the round in addition to how many he has on his person.
Thoughts?
Smokes rule and contribute to good game/teamplay.
Makes attacking a bit more attractive above camping which too many players are doing nowadays in RO.
Makes attacking a bit more attractive above camping which too many players are doing nowadays in RO.
Verluste21 said:
Sorry, but smokes dont instantly make a map balanced. Especially when they are added after the fact.
Maschine Pistole-38 said:
Ive already seen that mutator. The purpose of these suggestion boards is to convey exactly that, our suggestions. Ill sit in this thread and debate it all I want, a mutator came of it. See how well it works? Ofcourse, my suggestion is a one frag, one smoke loadout, so its not quite there yet. So the debate shall continue.
Verluste21 said:
What are you talking about? Now servers have the option to make maps play out the way they USED to if they choose. You're implying that maps weren't balanced to begin with, and you are wrong.