[Game] Law Enforcement Game

[reyalpOR]

I say we're overdue for an FPS that depicts Law Enforcement as uniquely as RO depicts WW2.

There are tons of games that depict the life the "Grunt", but few of the "Boys in Blue". There's more than enough history in Law Enforcement to make a story out of it. Gameplay can consist of a wide variety of scenarios in just as many places.

Scenarios:
-Car/On foot chases
-Drug busts
-SWAT engagements
-FBI most wanted hunts
-Bomb Squad
-Border Patroling
-ATF
-Off Duty
-Riot control

Places:
-Really anywhere between Los Angeles and New York

Although my examples have the US in mind, the concept can apply to anywhere in Europe as well. Europe has their share of riots, drug busts, and gangs as well unfortunately.

So what's the consensus, anyone else think we are overdue for a non "flashy hollywood" type game of those who serve and protect?

 

[Fedorov]

Why would anyone want to be a law enforcing fascist? ><



Edit:Just thought that it would be awesome if you could play as a rioter and hang politicians

 

[DraKon2k]

Condemned, but not really

 

[Major Liability]

Have you tried SWAT 4?
YouTube - SWAT 4 Trailer
The level of realism is about on par with Rainbow Six 3.

I like the idea of a LE game that's as realistic as RO, but really I doubt I would play it (at least not on the LE side). It's too annoying to have to avoid shooting civilians and even more annoying to have to capture enemies alive, rather just shoot anyone who's wearing a different uniform from me.

Fedorov also has a good point, it is usually more fun playing as the bad guys in these types of games. Take Hostile Intent for example. It's simply awesome the tension when you're defending from the NATO team invading on the house maps, crouched in a corner with a suppressed M11, waiting for the flashbang. Also, when you shoot random people in criminal games you get to take their money rather than getting a Game Over screen like in SWAT.

 

[NoxNoctum]

Why would anyone want to be a law enforcing fascist? ><



Edit:Just thought that it would be awesome if you could play as a rioter and hang politicians

^^What he said.

I do really think that playing as a ****ing rioter would be an awesome game. Talk about creative, play an anarchist, overthrow the corporate douchebags at the top, raise an army, etc. Sign me up. Speaking of which, we need a game set in the French revolution.

And border patrol? Lol cmon dude I know you did not just suggest that roflmao. Shoot the dirty Mexicans and then go home to the white supremacist rally!

In all seriousness though, you gotta keep in mind a fair number of gamers (at least ones I know... I'm not saying anything about myself of course ) are stoners... so... ya .

EDIT: SWAT 4 is definitely a fun game though... but most SWAT teams don't spend the majority of their time busting down serial killers doors in reality

 

[Shepherd]

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[NoxNoctum]

Care to translate the reviews ?

 

[SiC-Disaster]

Swat 4 is an awesome game.

I dont care what anyone says, i'd play the Law Enforcement side any day.
I like a little bit of thinking while playing instead of 'everyone's an enemy, go fire your gun till it's empty', and be deliberate about my targets.
Yes it can get you killed, but it's more fun that way to me.
Besides i just love doing some agressive roomclearing, as opposed to camping out in a corner waiting for someone else to come through the door.

And anyone who thinks that LE would be a bit tame, your most likely wrong as they do inflict violence, though in a different manner.
When they come through that door, they are going to do it as fast and agressive as they can to overcome the other person without actually having to fire their guns
Example: a couple of days ago i was checking out a training video of the Dutch arrest teams (comparable to SWAT) since i might go that direction myself some day.
When those guys entered a room and encountered two suspects standing one behind the other with some distance in between them, they rushed at them with pistols pointing at the suspects, the first LE guy used his forearm to bash the first suspect's head into a wall as he passed him to get to the second suspect.
The second guy then reached the first suspect and immediately worked him hard to the ground while the suspect was still dazed, while the first LE guy reached the second suspect and forced him down to the ground as well.
In about 3 seconds they had the room and the suspects under control.
I cant imagine how that doesnt get your adrenaline rushing

 

[Fedorov]

^^What he said.

I do really think that playing as a ****ing rioter would be an awesome game. Talk about creative, play an anarchist, overthrow the corporate douchebags at the top, raise an army, etc. Sign me up. Speaking of which, we need a game set in the French revolution.

And border patrol? Lol cmon dude I know you did not just suggest that roflmao. Shoot the dirty Mexicans and then go home to the white supremacist rally!

Indeed, its time for a game in which you side with the people and the oppressed instead of the enforcers.

Fedorov also has a good point, it is usually more fun playing as the bad guys in these types of games

I didn't mean it like that, I meant it as the true good guys. =P

The only game that does that is Mirrors Edge.

 

[=GG= Mr Moe]

I would rather see an old western law enforcement theme game/mod (first person multiplayer) based on RO with Sheriffs/Marshall's and their posse's against a gang of outlaws.

Think of it, pistols, rifles, dynamite and the occasional gatling gun.

 

[LemoN]

Someone has to write a mod for Oblivion....

ARREST THIS CRIMINAL SCUM!

 

[NoxNoctum]

Swat 4 is an awesome game.

I dont care what anyone says, i'd play the Law Enforcement side any day.
I like a little bit of thinking while playing instead of 'everyone's an enemy, go fire your gun till it's empty', and be deliberate about my targets.
Yes it can get you killed, but it's more fun that way to me.
Besides i just love doing some agressive roomclearing, as opposed to camping out in a corner waiting for someone else to come through the door.

And anyone who thinks that LE would be a bit tame, your most likely wrong as they do inflict violence, though in a different manner.
When they come through that door, they are going to do it as fast and agressive as they can to overcome the other person without actually having to fire their guns
Example: a couple of days ago i was checking out a training video of the Dutch arrest teams (comparable to SWAT) since i might go that direction myself some day.
When those guys entered a room and encountered two suspects standing one behind the other with some distance in between them, they rushed at them with pistols pointing at the suspects, the first LE guy used his forearm to bash the first suspect's head into a wall as he passed him to get to the second suspect.
The second guy then reached the first suspect and immediately worked him hard to the ground while the suspect was still dazed, while the first LE guy reached the second suspect and forced him down to the ground as well.
In about 3 seconds they had the room and the suspects under control.
I cant imagine how that doesnt get your adrenaline rushing

Well at least you'll be in Dutch LE.

You gotta keep in mind though, a lot of cops get in trouble for brutality just because they want that rush. If you want an adrenaline rush, become a skydiver... better for you and others than bashing people's faces in.

The "suspects" are not always some sleezy violent criminal either...

 

[Flogger23m]

There needs to be a SWAT 5, with iron sights and more realistic weapons.

Make some of the maps bigger, and it would be great.

Really, it seems more tactical then Raven Shield does to me.

But I doubt there will be a true SWAT 5, if there is another, it will probably be SWAT: Vegas.

 

[PNV]

I would like the idea of a realistic law enforcement game, similar to SWAT but with more common scenarios, like the first missions of SWAT. I didn't like the later missions too much, where you go against a large number of enemies in full body armor and assault rifles. If I wanted that, I could go and play Rainbow Six.

I don't know why people are so anti-police though. Yeah, there are dickish cops, but I have respect for the Florida Highway Patrol and other members of law enforcement here that put their lives at risk and ensure the safety of others. There are a lot of genuinely good cops out there, but unfortunately those stories don't appeal to people.

 

[reyalpOR]

Have you tried SWAT 4?
The level of realism is about on par with Rainbow Six 3.

I like the idea of a LE game that's as realistic as RO, but really I doubt I would play it (at least not on the LE side). It's too annoying to have to avoid shooting civilians...getting a Game Over screen like in SWAT.

I thought about this as well. I figured this theoretical game would take the worst of the worst scenarios and make it playable, a house raid with an armed assailant, a house raid with multiple armed assailants, performing the pit-maneuver in a car chase, a sniper unit taking out hostile targets.

Even the less-lethal situations could hold something good for us. Hosing down hippies, tear gassing the hippies, clubbing the hippies, tazing the hippies

I've only played Rogue Spear and Vegas 2, but none of the SWAT games. I remember a lot of hostage levels in Rogue Spear, but Vegas 2 had me defusing bombs, rescuing hostages, annihilating armies of men all in the same level more or less. It was just as fun.

And border patrol? Lol cmon dude I know you did not just suggest that roflmao. Shoot the dirty Mexicans and then go home to the white supremacist rally!

PSSSHHHH, border patrol would be awesome, at worst (our best bet ) there'd be a shoot-out with drug runners - bonus if you capture their drugs. haha, a nice shiny plaque with your name on it.

 

[Nenjin]

I could see this game doing well in the smaller market of high-realism shooters. Evaluating whether suspects are dangerous or not, some detective work, subduing people with non-lethal force, reigning in your trigger finger, I can see that being fun.

As far as the AAA market goes....nah. Publishers in general don't understand subtly. You'd end up with "Axe Cop vs. The Ghetto McNasties", with over the top violence and a Dirty Harry message. But they'd still try and sell it as representing real law enforcement. And then the 4,000 pound gorilla of interest groups, police unions, would be up in arms.

 

[SiC-Disaster]

Well at least you'll be in Dutch LE.

You gotta keep in mind though, a lot of cops get in trouble for brutality just because they want that rush. If you want an adrenaline rush, become a skydiver... better for you and others than bashing people's faces in.

The "suspects" are not always some sleezy violent criminal either...

Well, part of the reason why a SWAT team goes in is when suspects can't be handled anymore, and require a violent putdown. (Violent not as in 'i'm gonna rip your guts out and strangle you with it' but more so the violence of action. Moving in and taking control before anyone can reasonably respond).
They need to be taken control of, literally. That requires certain violence to numb the mind and force people to surrender.
You can see that as 'police brutality' but when those guys go in, you can bet your *** the suspect in there is deserving (or better put, requiring) it.
Once the SWAT moves in, people have crossed a line where they cannot be handled with in a normal fashion.

If i try and go in that direction, it won't be soon.
But at least i know that with that job, i could be of use to people like nobody else could, and my job truely means something: safing other people's lifes.
Though the SWAT comes in violently, they still are a life-saving force.

EDIT: which is also the appeal of the SWAT games.
You have to safe lifes, even the suspect's lifes, in order to truely 'win'. Every dead body is a failure. Which brings something new and refreshing to the table.

 

[Grobut]

I say we're overdue for an FPS that depicts Law Enforcement as uniquely as RO depicts WW2.

It would probably be really dull to play, cops do a lot of dull and tedius work in the real world, and granted, a game could easilly skip over that, but even the exciting things they do woulden't really translate well to a game, because they are only exciting in the real world when that's your real arse on the line, you're not going to get that feeling out of a game, instead you'd just be going through the motions to do a clean bust, like ticking things off a checklist, and it would quickly feel about as exciting as doing just that.

And yes you could have shootouts in a game like this, but if they are to be realistic ones, we're talking very small scale stuff that woulden't last very long, certainly nothing that can rival the excitements of a battlefield (or a spaceship infested with monsters and all the other shooter cliche's).

It could have it's moments, certainly, i can see that, but i don't see how it could have enough of them, or how they could last long enough, not without shooting any pretenses of realism in the face and creating BS Hollywood'esque missions.

Beeing a cop in the real world can probably be very scary and exciting at times, but how are you going to get that across in a game? and how are you going to get people to play it when they could be fighting in the rubble of Stalingrad instead? or slicing up mutated horrors on the USS Killbeast Buffet? Flying a Spitfire into battle? participate in Destruction Derby's on the surface of Mars? there's lots of other exciting things we could be doing and Dev's could be making..

 

[Nenjin]

It would probably be really dull to play, cops do a lot of dull and tedius work in the real world, and granted, a game could easilly skip over that, but even the exciting things they do woulden't really translate well to a game, because they are only exciting in the real world when that's your real arse on the line, you're not going to get that feeling out of a game, instead you'd just be going through the motions to do a clean bust, like ticking things off a checklist, and it would quickly feel about as exciting as doing just that.

Maybe, maybe not.

There was this old flight sim called F19 Stealth Fighter. In it, you made a pilot with a profile, and started them flying missions to accumulate honors and career points. There were 4 theaters of war, and about 8 different mission types (recon, S&D, dog fighting, ect...)

What made it cool was perma death. If your plane got exploded in the sky, your pilot was dead. If you ejected, sometimes you might die on impact. Others, you would be captured as a PoW. Or you might actually get recovered by your own side if you ejected close enough to the carrier.

So you were constantly making new pilots and had a big roster of characters that had either retired (flown so many missions) died, or were captured.

As you played more profiles, sometimes PoW pilots would be released and returned to active duty. Or if a pilot went MIA, they might miraculously reappear.

I can see that working well with a Law Enforcement game. You create a cop, do somewhat generic missions and essentially play for score and/or prestige. If you're wounded you might be out of commission for a few plays while you recover. If you break a law or violate someone's civil liberties, you might be put on suspension for several missions. And of course, you could die, and be remembered on the wall of heroes or whatever, listing your score and achievements.

I think I would get more fun out of it as a kind of SIM than a story-driven FPS like all the other drek we slog through today.

 

[Peter.Steele]

Indeed, its time for a game in which you side with the people and the oppressed instead of the enforcers.

[snip]

I didn't mean it like that, I meant it as the true good guys. =P

Huh. The oppressed.

Because the law only applies to people above a certain economic standing.

Because if you're poor, it's okay to steal.

Because if you're not rich, it's okay to deal drugs.

Because so long as you're not among the privileged, it's okay to get drunk and beat the **** out of your wife or your kids.

Because if you grew up in certain areas, it's perfectly acceptable to do drive by shootings.

Because if you don't have the money, there's no problem with sticking up a gas station. Hey, the company won't really miss thirty-five bucks, and that kid working the register ... well, hell, he just had to die, right?


Yeah. The oppressed.