LAR vs. XBow

[outofrealman]

[sarcasm]Huh? You don't know anything. Sirens and husks are the zerker's natural enemies. Zerker has to attack the husk and siren with a katana. At least that what all the "zerker isn't OP" defenders say. Oh, and crawlers.[/sarcasm]

Yeah, infinite penetration is extremely effective. The very quick "hip shot" which stuns a husk while killing or stunning everything in the path is a great use as well. Popping husks a great distance away on huge open maps is a great use as well.

Oh what now? If berserker choose the xbow, you can only choose between katana OR axe. No axe = really hard scrake kill. No katana = very hard trash kill. At least in this case, I dont agree with ghost.

And 36 shots for all husks sirens and crawlers? No. No gonna work unless you have a medic only paying attention to you.

 

[ph30nix]

well you cant assume the beserker is going to be killing everythign by himself so 36 shots if used properly would be plenty. If he is running low he can duck aside and call out for teammate (who should already be helping anyways)

not great with beserker so this is theoretical at best, but use Cbow to stun scrake at close range then get behind for back hits (if possible) otherwise just alt attack at head.

 

[outofrealman]

well you cant assume the beserker is going to be killing everythign by himself so 36 shots if used properly would be plenty. If he is running low he can duck aside and call out for teammate (who should already be helping anyways)

not great with beserker so this is theoretical at best, but use Cbow to stun scrake at close range then get behind for back hits (if possible) otherwise just alt attack at head.

The only problem is xbow off-perked dont stun scrakes on suicidal and HoE, and even if it does, scrakes will always be facing his target even when he is stuned.

Anyway, if any issue can be solved by "you have teamates", this game will be cake walk EVERY TIME. Clearly this is not the case.

 

[Steeps]

Oh what now? If berserker choose the xbow, you can only choose between katana OR axe. No axe = really hard scrake kill. No katana = very hard trash kill. At least in this case, I dont agree with ghost.

And 36 shots for all husks sirens and crawlers? No. No gonna work unless you have a medic only paying attention to you.

If you're the only zerker you're absolutely right unless there's a reliable sharpshooter on your team. But when you're playing a team of 5 berserkers + 1 medic and 3 or 4 have an axe (hell, even if two have an axe) scrakes aren't going to be an issue at all. Husks and sirens are the biggest threats to your team and the xbox disposes them super quickly.

If a team is working together it is good to not have every berserker run the katana/axe/lar setup. Maybe have two do that, one medic, two xbows (one katana, one axe) and one with an m79 or m32 + katana. Then drop some axes just in case. Now you have healing, can kill scrakes, can kill husks/sirens, and have crowd control with the grenade launcher. Katana/axe/lar is great but not the only setup that should be used for zerkers.

 

[outofrealman]

If you're the only zerker you're absolutely right unless there's a reliable sharpshooter on your team. But when you're playing a team of 5 berserkers + 1 medic and 3 or 4 have an axe (hell, even if two have an axe) scrakes aren't going to be an issue at all. Husks and sirens are the biggest threats to your team and the xbox disposes them super quickly.

If a team is working together it is good to not have every berserker run the katana/axe/lar setup. Maybe have two do that, one medic, two xbows (one katana, one axe) and one with an m79 or m32 + katana. Then drop some axes just in case. Now you have healing, can kill scrakes, can kill husks/sirens, and have crowd control with the grenade launcher. Katana/axe/lar is great but not the only setup that should be used for zerkers.

At least for me, two berserker in a team is already happening very rarely. Unless we are on some maps like farm or mountainpass... and on these reallllly opened maps, you really dont care about husks.

If the team is going 5 berserker and 1 medic, I still prefer the medic to hold that xbow.

 

[mokov]

M14 sucks.

I suck with LAR.

I'm good with HC.

I'm good with Xbow.

Therefore, i use HC/Xbow because it doesn't suck in my hands.

same, here

 

[Merin Redplate]

Lar.

 

[Austin]

The lever action rifle is useful in the earlier waves but after that it becomes a lot more useless. The crossbow is completely different and is much more useful because it serves a more defined role in combat, basically you can (usually) one shot scrakes and do heaps of damage to fp's and you can also kill dangerous enemies like sirens and husks and bloats.

EDIT: The Crossbow also has penetration and is very useful with a side weapon like dual handcannons for when enemies get close.

I much prefer the LAR though cause it's just funner to headshot with and I'm really good at doing it from a distance.

 

[Aze]

Still saying:
Shame you can't carry both at once

 

[(Taco Limey KF PRO)]

I prefer the almighty Crossbow. It releases a powerful blast on the enemy head, Leaving them unsure of what just happned.
So Crossbow is very good againts scrakes, Fleshpounds.
But the lar is good againts weak speciemens.
Such as: Clots,Gorefests,husks,crawlers ect. But crossbow can kill a scrake in 1 shot in the head on a scrake, on level 3 or 2 i dunno.
But thats beside point..................................

Crossbow is what i prefer.

 

[jalex3]

I personally find the xbo to be abit to cheep for me, lar is best sharpy weapon

 

[Jamini]

I find the x-bow gimmicky. Everything the X-bow can do, the LAR can do as well or better ( minus one-shotting FPs on low difficulties.) Give me LAR headshot spam on big stuff and handcannon/9mm quickshots on trash any day of the week.

 

[ph30nix]

I find the x-bow gimmicky. Everything the X-bow can do, the LAR can do as well or better ( minus one-shotting FPs on low difficulties.) Give me LAR headshot spam on big stuff and handcannon/9mm quickshots on trash any day of the week.

LAR is great for its price, but if your SS and your just using the LAR all the time your gimping yourself.

Thats like a commando saying i dont like the scar i stick with the bulpup the whole time.

 

[Stephen]

IMO there should be a secondary function for the xbow (maybe explosive-tipped arrows) - obviously it'd be expensive and slow to reload but it'd be interesting.

Maybe poison gas or something? Sort of explodes in a cloud on impact.

:IS2:

 

[Aze]

I'd say, the higher the difficulty + amount of players I'm playing with, the more i lean towards LAR (+ M14).

On Hard and below, the Xbow is great, mainly on Scrakes (one-hit-kill). It also still does signigicant damage to Fleshies. The LAR and M14 are good there too, but the Xbow deals with them faster and more reliably. Plus, you have the money to sustain yourself with bolts more easily.

On Suicidal and HoE though, your MAIN job as a Sharpie goes even more than on the lower levels towards helping the team with Scrakes and Fleshpounds, but also Sirens and Husk, which are all very lethal on these difficulties. Scrakes need to be stunned if they get close and Fleshpounds/Husk/SIrens needs to be dealt with quickly.
The LAR stuns Scrakes with a headshot (just like the Xbow), making it easy for you team to gun down Scrakes, but it's faster to retry if you miss a shot than the Xbow. Plus, if need be, you can stun multiple Scrakes faster with the LAR than the Xbow. LAR also instakills Sirens and Husks with a headshot, so the LAR is a lot more versatile. Sure, the Xbow can do that too, but each bolt is very expensive on these 2 difficulties, so it almost feels like a waste, in a way.
Combine all that with the ability to carry an M14 with the LAR, a weapon which is nice for trash and for Fleshpounds (using teamwork ofc or if kiting would be needed, as it doesn't rage the fleshie with 1 shot)

So in short again: The higher the difficulty (combined with more players on the server) the more i lean towards the LAR+M14 combo rather than the Xbow+HC combo.

 

[ChairmanMurder[Forge]]

It depends on the difficulty and the tactics we're using, I guess. If we're kiting, I'd probably lean more towards the LAR because it gives me something to use if I'm mobbed by Crawlers. As long as you keep situational awareness, Sirens and Husks aren't too much of a danger when kiting.

If we're holed up in a spot, I'd take the crossbow. On harder difficulties, I find that the crossbow is more useful for high-priority semi-trash (Husks, Bloats, Sirens). For example, if a Siren is stumbling towards you with three Clots in front of her, you'll have to shoot all the clots with your LAR before you get a shot at the Siren, and chances are she'll be screaming by the time you get your shot off. With the crossbow, the penetration allows you to bypass the Clots and take out the Siren before she becomes a danger. Ditto for Husk and Bloat. (As an added bonus a missed headshot from a crossbow will stun the Husk and prevent him from firing, anyway).

LAR is good for Scrakes when holing up, since it has a large ammo pool and it's more forgiving if you miss a headshot.

 

[Rainydaykid]

I'd say, the higher the difficulty + amount of players I'm playing with, the more i lean towards LAR (+ M14).

On Hard and below, the Xbow is great, mainly on Scrakes (one-hit-kill). It also still does signigicant damage to Fleshies. The LAR and M14 are good there too, but the Xbow deals with them faster and more reliably. Plus, you have the money to sustain yourself with bolts more easily.

On Suicidal and HoE though, your MAIN job as a Sharpie goes even more than on the lower levels towards helping the team with Scrakes and Fleshpounds, but also Sirens and Husk, which are all very lethal on these difficulties. Scrakes need to be stunned if they get close and Fleshpounds/Husk/SIrens needs to be dealt with quickly.
The LAR stuns Scrakes with a headshot (just like the Xbow), making it easy for you team to gun down Scrakes, but it's faster to retry if you miss a shot than the Xbow. Plus, if need be, you can stun multiple Scrakes faster with the LAR than the Xbow. LAR also instakills Sirens and Husks with a headshot, so the LAR is a lot more versatile. Sure, the Xbow can do that too, but each bolt is very expensive on these 2 difficulties, so it almost feels like a waste, in a way.
Combine all that with the ability to carry an M14 with the LAR, a weapon which is nice for trash and for Fleshpounds (using teamwork ofc or if kiting would be needed, as it doesn't rage the fleshie with 1 shot)

So in short again: The higher the difficulty (combined with more players on the server) the more i lean towards the LAR+M14 combo rather than the Xbow+HC combo.

Use a handcannon on husks and sirens unless they are behind others. Only takes 2 HC headshots to kill either one.

 

[Floor Killer]

I like using the LAR outside the hands of a sharpshooter, when playing zerker i like using the LAR because its no fun fighting crawlers and such with a katana.

I only like the Crossbow on wave one, just because i can kill the entire wave easily and make a quick 600 bones on wave 2

 

[C_Gibby]

The LAR is godly, especially when off-perk due to its wide use amongst demos and zerkies thanks to its

 

[outofrealman]

How many people really able to kill fps effectively on 6-man HoE with xbow? Really?