Great post so truethanks Rommel also what country are these king tigers in look here late 1944 http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?i...e194445st7.jpg __________________
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to those who deride the Tiger IIs molbility look at its ground pressure and speed you will find it better than meny ww2 tanks that few pepole regard as slow, or having pore molbility .
Tiger II
Speed on/off road 38/18 km/h
Ground Pressure 14.5 psi
Range on/offroad 170/120 km
M4A2[76]W Sherman
Speed road 40 km/h
Ground Pressure 14.9 psi
Range 161 km
StuG III G
Speed road 30kph
Ground Pressure 14.7 psi
Range 140km
Gee I gess its not as bad as some pepole think....
Tiger II
Speed on/off road 38/18 km/h
Ground Pressure 14.5 psi
Range on/offroad 170/120 km
M4A2[76]W Sherman
Speed road 40 km/h
Ground Pressure 14.9 psi
Range 161 km
StuG III G
Speed road 30kph
Ground Pressure 14.7 psi
Range 140km
Gee I gess its not as bad as some pepole think....
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Its ashame people always rag on the TigerII on these forums
It was the Tiger II who set a standard of what a moderen tank should be.
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From the report made by soviet specialist in '44. They talk about early models, i don't know, maybe later germans had overcame those troubles...
Of course, you don't have to agree with me.
Since when modern tanks stay still on the battlefield, without any maneuvers? Imo, it was T-34 with its sloped armour and later - IS-3 who put a begining to a modern tanks.
Of course, you don't have to agree with me.
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this sums the king tiger up
this sums the king tiger up
However, the great firepower and armor of the King Tiger created the impression of a powerful armored force with almost invulnerable tanks. Able to destroy enemy tanks at extreme ranges and impervious to those same tanks made the King Tiger more than a match for any allied tank. Indeed for the allied forces, the sight of a King Tiger on the battlefield was terrifying and did great physical and morale damage to the enemy. This fame and almost mystical fascination helped it earn its reputation as the most feared weapon of world war 2. For the German forces, it was the hallmark of German armored might and restored morale even in the last days of the war. Due to the havoc it wreaked during the Ardennes offensive, the allies advancing into Berlin would fear the King Tiger up to the very last day of the war.
this sums the king tiger up
However, the great firepower and armor of the King Tiger created the impression of a powerful armored force with almost invulnerable tanks. Able to destroy enemy tanks at extreme ranges and impervious to those same tanks made the King Tiger more than a match for any allied tank. Indeed for the allied forces, the sight of a King Tiger on the battlefield was terrifying and did great physical and morale damage to the enemy. This fame and almost mystical fascination helped it earn its reputation as the most feared weapon of world war 2. For the German forces, it was the hallmark of German armored might and restored morale even in the last days of the war. Due to the havoc it wreaked during the Ardennes offensive, the allies advancing into Berlin would fear the King Tiger up to the very last day of the war.
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Like you said it was an early model, most of the problems with the Tiger II where automotive in orign.
and from what I hear from guys who know more about this stuff than even I do say that a lot of soviet reports are tanted from missinformation so you have to be somewhat carefull when reading them.
Its like the battle of kusrk that thy made up (you know the one, every one thinks of with 1500+ tanks duking it out with hundreds knocked out by the end of the day.) the real battle only hade ~10 Tigers, and no panthers, with less than 250 tanks on the german side, with some 600 soviet tanks on the other. Insted of hundreds on oth sides being destroyed only 50 german and some 200 soviet where taken out.
read this thread.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=100861&highlight=tiger
Its a thread about the Tiger II vs the IS-2
and from what I hear from guys who know more about this stuff than even I do say that a lot of soviet reports are tanted from missinformation so you have to be somewhat carefull when reading them.
Its like the battle of kusrk that thy made up (you know the one, every one thinks of with 1500+ tanks duking it out with hundreds knocked out by the end of the day.) the real battle only hade ~10 Tigers, and no panthers, with less than 250 tanks on the german side, with some 600 soviet tanks on the other. Insted of hundreds on oth sides being destroyed only 50 german and some 200 soviet where taken out.
read this thread.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=100861&highlight=tiger
Its a thread about the Tiger II vs the IS-2
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What do you mean saying "disinformation"? Those guys tested KT themselves, how could they possibly be disinformed? This report was made for their high command, thus it doesn't contain any propaganda crap.
Also, i find it funny, when people say "pff, battlefield.ru", although they give AxisHistory site as a refferer. Double standarts anyone? But i'll read it anyway.
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![[TW]schneidzekk](/data/avatars/s/0/1.jpg?1568638684){kind=avatar}
Both sites are heavily biased and i would never blindly trust any data posted.
Heck just read the forums here, fanatic fanbois everywhere.
Heck just read the forums here, fanatic fanbois everywhere.
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pretty sure that's a non-sequitor, no?
anyway, back on topic, I can vividly recall building a 1/35th scale Tamiya model of the King Tiger. remember it well, painting it, setting up a diorama. For people that are interested in tanks, it sure is a fun topic to disucss.
BTW, to the poster who jumped all over (and people like him in general) Karl for being a "nazi", you need to sort out some issues. People can follow, study, even admire the accomplishments of the Wehrmacht (or the Japanese army, the Roman Legions, any infamous army), without being tied to their ideologies or political evils. capice?
I mean fer chrissakes, have you ever heard Karl Stiner on the in-game VOIP? He's english (as in from Britain)!!
PS. Great video Karl. saw an StG44 towards the end.
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Heinz, it is not about beeing nazi or not, i admire good engineering, tactics, et cetera.
Hell, i am German.
People should just think about their lethargic postings.
Germany developed awesome stuff back in the days, but did it help? No.
How did Germany manage to develop and produce all that nice equipment?
I do not want to turn this into a political discussion and trust me it won't, we would just be happy to not see this ignorant and naive following. From both sides.
After all, this is a game, not an ideology sim.
Hell, i am German.
People should just think about their lethargic postings.
Germany developed awesome stuff back in the days, but did it help? No.
How did Germany manage to develop and produce all that nice equipment?
I do not want to turn this into a political discussion and trust me it won't, we would just be happy to not see this ignorant and naive following. From both sides.
After all, this is a game, not an ideology sim.
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agreed. aside from some humor, my posts are filled with an objective view at history and the facts.
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I would question these numbers, the front line for the battle of kursk was 240km long so your saying that germans only had 1 tank per mile??
Also I do believe many Panthers took part or intended to take part in the Battle of Kursk but they had alot of mechanical problems at the start.
All the info above is from Encyclop
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Sorry, i didn't understand that. I mean, i don't know that word.. So as online dictionaries.. What did you mean?
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it was humor, a joke. it means that two words do not go together, or are an impossibility together. such as (again, more humor):
Jumbo Shrimp
Military Intelligence
Tall midget
smart moron
Brave coward
things like that. so, it was my joke as regards "soviet experts". get it?
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