I think the consensus is that KF shouldn't be on a console ever. Guess the thread has run its course.
P.S. I speak for everyone when I say that I don't speak for everyone.
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Killing Floor to Xbox360
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I think the consensus is that KF shouldn't be on a console ever. Guess the thread has run its course.
P.S. I speak for everyone when I say that I don't speak for everyone.
Not much difference in effectiveness of 9mm vs .45 with modern hollowpoints. Whatever caliber I am using, with a handgun they are getting multiple rounds center mass. Shot placement matters more than caliber, anyways. I have seen a guy die from one 9mm FMJ, and have seen another take multiple rounds and keep fighting.
I prefer 15-18 rounds before a reload to 7, though there are good high cap weapons in .45, I have studied coroner reports and they said with handguns they could not tell the caliber until they dug the bullet out. With good hollowpoints, there isn't a whole lot of practical difference, ball ammo, somewhat. Whatever caliber you choose, the one you shoot the best should be the one you use. Keep shooting until the threat is stopped. With handguns, you are generally going to need more than one shot anyways.
Just trying to say "the 9mm sucks" argument is generally going to come from someone who doesn't know much about guns. I hear it all the time. Not talking about you, but that is generally a telltale sign.
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but in call of duty the pistols take SOOOOO many shots to kill, with the exception of the magnums, pythons and dessert eagle, which are all higher caliber guns and as such are way more powerful, i mean, two shot kill is better than the near full clip it takes to kill someone, so i think that you are wrong because anything smaller than a desert eagle is worthless in combat, especially when the bullets go everywhere, while a desert eagle is pinpoint accurate.
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see, i know everything there is to know about guns... on that note, WHY IS THERE NO M16 IN THIS GAME!?!!
/cowadootie
I prefer a knife, but that's just because their shiny and pretty useful.
It's a joke.
Everybody knows what 9x19mm Parabellum/Luger is, but hardly anyone knows that .45ACP is known in metric master race as 11.43x23mm.
I'm just messing around with people; and i've read about the 9mm vs 11.43mm debates, and how they're pretty much indistinguishable in autopsy.
Having said that.... a Glock 17 with 33 round mag loaded with +P+ hollowpoints.
It's a joke.
Everybody knows what 9x19mm Parabellum/Luger is, but hardly anyone knows that .45ACP is known in metric master race as 11.43x23mm.
I'm just messing around with people; and i've read about the 9mm vs 11.43mm debates, and how they're pretty much indistinguishable in autopsy.
Having said that.... a Glock 17 with 33 round mag loaded with +P+ hollowpoints.
Sorry, I can never tell when you are joking. I was probably tired as hell when I wrote this anyways. I had one "gun guru" at a gun store laugh and tell me "9mm is worthless garbage", I replied, "strange, nobody I shot in Iraq mentioned that to me, they just died", shut him up fast.
Yeah mate, that's the internet. It also doesn't carry sarcasm or irony as well as humour, so it makes it a little more difficult to communicate.
Anyway, 11.43mmv9mm is ever so slightly a pointless argument.
You're still going to be shooting until the target stops moving.
As i believe the quote goes "the purpose of a pistol is to get back to the rifle you should never have laid down"
In this case, i think that rifle is the SCAR
That is a mean thing to say and i'm disappointed in you Lucidius.
I've come to expect more from you.
The idea that shot placement matters more than caliber is interesting,
considering that caliber can affect wound diameter, ergo increasing greatly chance to hit a vital organ.
Additionally, this idea is interesting considering that caliber, and type of projectile can affect penetration depth, which can null shot placement completely.
If you're that confident about your ability to pick between the jugular and the femoral when someone's unloading in your face, be my guest, Annie Oakley.
And how many gunfights have you been in again?
Different calibers matter a lot more in rifles than they do in handguns. I am not talking about shooting someone in the jugular or femoral, correct shot placement means center mass and head. Fully petaled, a .45 hollowpoint is less than 1/10th of an inch wider than a 9mm hollowpoint. As for penetration depth, most calibers larger than a .380 are sufficient for this.
Any weapons trainer will repeat what I have said. Shot placement matters more than caliber. Repeated hits center mass is what stops someone. If that doesn't work, you go for a headshot afterward. This does not take hardly any time, especially with training.
As far as wound diameter, again, with various handgun rounds, there isn't a lot of difference. Wound diameter as a stretch cavity is more a function of bullet velocity than anything else. That is one reason rifles are so devastating. A 122-125 grain 9mm hollowpoint, and a 7.62x39 AK hollowpoint have the same bullet weight, but the rifle round does a lot more because it is going a lot faster. Hollowpoints spread out mainly to stop inside and dump all their energy, and also not overpenetrate to hit an innocent. Spreading out does increase the permanent wound cavity, but that isn't its main function.
I am also hearing of pelvic shots gaining in popularity for stopping someone. It is an easy target to hit, usually wouldn't be covered by armor, and you can't walk, and the pelvis holds a lot of blood. This would have to depend on situation, of course.
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You
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Stop feeding the trolls please, 2 pages of off topic bickering. It's time to just, let this thread die and
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Well, reason I said 5.7 over 9mm is because I personally like the 5.7 round's design better. As for why I said specifically 7 5.7s against a .45... well that was mostly because of an equation I've been working on (for game damages) said it was between 7-8 5.7s of.... 30 grains IIRC versus the .45 with 185gr (again, IIRC). Later versions of this equation might say more or less, or even flip this around. I really don't know!
As for shot placement, it always helps, I'd never against argue that point. Of course, different people will be able to sustain larger injuries than others, but generally in the right place, one is all that's needed. What's better than a 1 shot takedown is not even needing to fire a shot at all.
Shot placement is the biggest factor in stopping someone, actually. Caliber does matter somewhat, obviously, but is not as big a factor. The one shot stop thing is a rarity, honestly, at least with handguns. I have studied many shootings, and been in a couple, and the BG generally takes an average of 3 center mass to stop. The only way to ensure a one shot stop is a CNS hit.
Most of the training courses I have studied, as well as modern pistol fighting, is going to "zippers" and burst fire methods on handguns. A "zipper" is firing a string of rounds from the pelvis to the head. Many people are now recognizing it is regularly going to take multiple rounds to stop someone, and the training is starting to reflect this.
In lethal close quarters fighting with a handgun, you are going to be point shooting and moving at the same time. I would rather not have to shoot anyone, personally, but if someone pulls a weapon on me, they decided to get shot.
As for the 5.7, it is about equivalent in "stopping power" to a .22 magnum.
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I wasn't saying whether shot placement was the biggest or not, it's just my style to say something helps. The amount of help I pretty much never really try to imply because people like to argue what they feel is best, or have learned to be best.
Basically use the pistol's recoil to do most of the work to get that 'zipper' going, right?
A still target is an easy target. Or rather, an easier target. At least with my small experience with handgun target practice, well... I need more practice. Then again, if someone says they don't need practice...
Well the equation looks to be going in the right direction then it seems. I'm just having to work on the part for including the idea of penetration, overpenetration, and the effect that should have on the relative damage it does. And also figuring ideas to get an estimated variance with various barrel lengths, although that one is going to be a bit difficult to get figured out... although generally by just using muzzle velocity as is, it seems to be working just fine.
I am not by any means an Xbox fanboy, but I must say does your a** ever get jealous of the s*** your mouth spews? If you seriously think that the 360 is such an awful console you must have started gaming just last generation. The Xbox does exactly what its designed to do and does it well. Specifically, it does HD games and movies for casual gamers and a network for them to communicate and play with their friends. The community may be horrid, but that's not MS's fault.
Now, if you're complaining against what the Xbox represents I can understand that. But you have to understand the difference between what a product is and what it has become. For example, OSX is just an operating system, and the Mac is just a computer. It in and of itself is for all intent porpoises in no way pretentious or hipster.
If I'm mistaken, and there is something wrong with the console itself, then please explain it to me because I honestly don't understand it.
Yeah i heard pistols shoot bullets, kewl... now back to topic maybe?