Killing Floor 2 - Update 1008

[outofrealman]

Someone once said this (maybe it was even you). That if TWI gave a bit more details, maybe discussion could be more focused in the forums. But it's way too early. What if they don't know if they want to replace the M4 or not. So yeah, 100 posts on how to balance may help them decide to modify, or adjust. It's way too early, and I've always thought it silly that people expect changes (or in this case, ideas on changes) so quickly.

How about "just use the AA12 for now, M4 balance will not be on our prioritize list for a while" so people who have a keen heart can stop wasting time on making posts everyday and stop wasting the time on people who respond to them?

I've mentioned this in the pertinent thread, but again, lol what is that egocentrism for? Maybe you don't like item search achievements, but you are not everyone. This forum is not everyone. Also, did you just compare the item search achievements to zed teleporting and M4 balance? Also, it's been explained up above by Paronine (whose points you chose to dodge) that TWI is made up of different staff. Different staff may be doing different things.

All because a dude was put on to item placement duty, doesn't mean that resources were not appropriately allocated to the other problems (which again, maybe so early in their resolution, they're not ready to update yet).

If official forum, steam forum and reddit still dont consist for the majority of player, I dont know what is. Now how much posts about item hunting achievements you see? 10? And we clearly have 100+ post on EACH of the forums about teleporting. And this still makes you think "may be there are even more players out there"?

Yeah, they have different staff, but as they claimed, they have guy(s) responsible to read the forums. You can sometimes see they reply on random topics, so no way they are "too busy" to address topics where 90% of players agreed and concerned on (really, I have never seen something that can get 90% players to agree on, teleporting is my first one). A simple "we are still working on a work around" (if they really have nothing to provide atm, which I dont believe so) is better than close the front door and put a "just wait for next patch notes" sign outside.

Now "they may not have an agreement between devs yet" is still not a good argument because.... they add it in the first place. They agreed to add the mechanic in, now everybody hates it. "See? That doesnt work, let's remove it" I cant see how this will get too much disagreement. Not to mention.... if something can get 90% of the players to hate, I cant see why its not on the prioritize list. And these posts started in closed beta too. And after a month into EA, even more people hates it, yet they still have nothing? Not even a direction? After more than a month at least they should know they want to just remove it or work on a work around.

Its FIVE WEEKS. If after this they dont even "have an agreement between devs" over these major issues (again, not asking for actual content release).... I call BS on "we hope to end the EA state within 2015".

 

[Juizer]

HoE has been beaten without support already, it's also been solo'd with every perk too.

Are you silly? Did I say that it's impossible?

solo

Oh, that was really hard i guess, especially with those 0.5/0.7x modifiers for scrakes and fleshpounds and 0.25x for hans.

 

[NNFX]

Nice Update. Like the Map and the Characters, but wtf happened with that Bullpup? It`s too freaking loud now. Hurts my Ears.
Also I noticed the Decals it makes when shooting at a Wall are as big as a Head now.

But both btw, does not happen in Zedtime. In Zedtime it`s Fireingsound is less loud and the Deacals are smaller. Just for you to know.
Please fix.

 

[outofrealman]

Are you silly? Did I say that it's impossible?


Oh, that was really hard i guess, especially with those 0.5/0.7x modifiers for scrakes and fleshpounds and 0.25x for hans.

Its not that hard, but can you do it?

 

[silverlighted]

How about "just use the AA12 for now, M4 balance will not be on our prioritize list for a while" so people who have a keen heart can stop wasting time on making posts everyday and stop wasting the time on people who respond to them?

But that's bad! Because they're still looking through those threads. And maybe someone would come up with a good idea. And furthermore, that would be unfairly controlling forum content. AND that would be rudely dictating how people should play. Lol

If official forum, steam forum and reddit still dont consist for the majority of player, I dont know what is. Now how much posts about item hunting achievements you see? 10? And we clearly have 100+ post on EACH of the forums about teleporting. And this still makes you think "may be there are even more players out there"?

Yes. There are more players out there.

Yeah, they have different staff, but as they claimed, they have guy(s) responsible to read the forums. You can sometimes see they reply on random topics, so no way they are "too busy" to address topics where 90% of players agreed and concerned on (really, I have never seen something that can get 90% players to agree on, teleporting is my first one). A simple "we are still working on a work around" (if they really have nothing to provide atm, which I dont believe so) is better than close the front door and put a "just wait for next patch notes" sign outside.

For the record, this has been addressed in many ways already of why they wouldn't reply in many threads so not going to regurgitate the responses. And why your simple solution "we are still working on a work around" is not at all an obvious thing to say.

Also fake statistics are fake. Enough said on that.

Now "they may not have an agreement between devs yet" is still not a good argument because.... they add it in the first place. They agreed to add the mechanic in, now everybody hates it. "See? That doesnt work, let's remove it" I cant see how this will get too much disagreement. Not to mention.... if something can get 90% of the players to hate, I cant see why its not on the prioritize list. And these posts started in closed beta too. And after a month into EA, even more people hates it, yet they still have nothing? Not even a direction? After more than a month at least they should know they want to just remove it or work on a work around.

Again blah blah vocal minority. Also reiterate: blah blah its only been a month, too early to just go along with people who haven't gotten used. Sorry but this conversation IS redundant at this point.

And it still amuses me that you don't even consider the possibility that they want to leave teleporting in and are just seeing if people will get past it.

Full disclosure, I'm fine with teleporting. I think there are some poor teleportation rules but the mechanic itself is fine to me. But that's why I'm trying to be more detached on the matter.

 

[outofrealman]

But that's bad! Because they're still looking through those threads. And maybe someone would come up with a good idea. And furthermore, that would be unfairly controlling forum content. AND that would be rudely dictating how people should play. Lol

Like they actually being nice responding to posts which criticize them.

Yes. There are more players out there.

Yeah, lets listen to those because they are clearly the main player base. What? There's a reason why I used "some" player and compare them with "most" players.

For the record, this has been addressed in many ways already of why they wouldn't reply in many threads so not going to regurgitate the responses. And why your simple solution "we are still working on a work around" is not at all an obvious thing to say.

So why is responding to the "more stat in scoreboard" ok when there are still players who think "there will be too much information"? As in your logic, as long as there are "more players" out there, they should not respond.

Also fake statistics are fake. Enough said on that.

Mass majority of players. Feel better now?

Again blah blah vocal minority. Also reiterate: blah blah its only been a month, too early to just go along with people who haven't gotten used. Sorry but this conversation IS redundant at this point.

And it still amuses me that you don't even consider the possibility that they want to leave teleporting in and are just seeing if people will get past it.

Full disclosure, I'm fine with teleporting. I think there are some poor teleportation rules but the mechanic itself is fine to me. But that's why I'm trying to be more detached on the matter.

Yeah, constantly doing a 360 LOS scan surely is a skill to be mastered if you want to prevent zed from teleporting. (in case you dont know, if you do a 360 scan once every few seconds they wont teleport) Is this what you call "just seeing if people will get past it"? Or they will get magics in the game, who knows, we can teleport too

Its five weeks, all we ask is a direction, if they really still dont know what they want to do.... they have bigger problems than players complaining.

 

[JohnNyan]

Are you silly? Did I say that it's impossible?


Oh, that was really hard i guess, especially with those 0.5/0.7x modifiers for scrakes and fleshpounds and 0.25x for hans.

You must be one of those "Damn how do people solo HoE?!" Kind of people.

First of all, there's literally a guide for those who know nothing about the game but are good at fps'a. Telling you what weapon to buy on what wave and best ways to solo FP and scrake without being touched.

Second of all. People have beaten HoE without being touched, so it didn't matter if Zeds have x100 multiplier. If it can be beaten easily then no amount of Bullet sponge or 1 hit Ko stats will prevent people (who beat it easily the first time) from beating it again.

Hell I watched a Zerk when I was bored in HoE flaming Zeds for fun, he solo'd Han's while the rest of us were shotgun hoping back and forth over each other.
Just because it's hard for you to beat HoE doesn't mean it's hard for everyone. It's so easy it's a joke. We would knife our way to Han's on HoE if it wasn't for the clots swarming any melee late waves.

 

[JohnNyan]

I like this outofrealm guy.
Also buddy, do you see what I mean when I said "fanboys"?
No amount of logic will move them, they are blind and never think. But hey, it's good to know not 100% of the players were would bend over for tripwire.

. Just look at the guy you are debating with now. While you maintain your strong point of view and have powerful points. The fanboy has devolved from his "fancy excuses" to a typical "lol, just because" fanboy. He has no clue what he's talking about and is just saying whatever while you destroy him with facts.

 

[Juizer]

You must be one of those "Damn how do people solo HoE?!" Kind of people.

How can you be that stupid? I just don't understand. Did I say it's hard? Can you read?

I was answering to this post:

Agreed, if we can beat hoe with only 4 perks its clearly too easy why make it easier?

I said this:

Why do you think that it's a problem? If we could easily beat HOE without supports, i would understand you.

Are you that retarded to imply that beating HOE without supports is not harder overall?
Currently only ~1-2% of all players have HoE achievements.
Are you that retarded to imply that it's easy? I understand that sometimes people are stupid and for them there are only "easy" and "not easy" difficulties or something like that, are you one of them?

 

[outofrealman]

I like this outofrealm guy.
Also buddy, do you see what I mean when I said "fanboys"?
No amount of logic will move them, they are blind and never think. But hey, it's good to know not 100% of the players were would bend over for tripwire.

. Just look at the guy you are debating with now. While you maintain your strong point of view and have powerful points. The fanboy has devolved from his "fancy excuses" to a typical "lol, just because" fanboy. He has no clue what he's talking about and is just saying whatever while you destroy him with facts.

First, you totally mis-read the thread above. Second, I rather put more effort to make them understand the point I am making instead of bashing them with "fanbody" tag right away (although I get the whiner tag since day 1).

ANYTHING that is "official" will have a lot of defenders, in any aspect, not just KF, not just gaming. So I understand they want to encourage the good works, but if we only praise them and stop pointing out "you **** up here, and there", thing like "aren't you thankful?" responds will start to appear, just like when Diablo 3 is released.

 

[Sk1n-Walk3r]

Cool some new Death sentences as well. "Drowned in body fluids"

What is a WWAUT post?

 

[Ewan]

I find the exclusive characters to be utter bull****.

I completely agree, even though I have Killing Floor 1.

lmao.

Poor TWI. So many KF1 players wanted a little something for themselves. TWI gives it...a very specific bonus, I might add, as it is a direct homage to KF1. Cheers for the ppl who wanted.

So why can't new Killing Floor players get to enjoy two new characters to play as? I can't think of a good reason to not give them to new players who do not have KF1. This decision seems like TWI are spitting in the face of current fans, fans who are happy to play an Early Access version of your game to help you out a ton.

 

[Mental]

Cool some new Death sentences as well. "Drowned in body fluids"

What is a WWAUT post?

"What We Are Up To".

 

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What is a WWAUT post?

What We Are Up To posts in http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/forumdisplay.php?f=183News And Announcements

 

[Sk1n-Walk3r]

"What We Are Up To".

oh god sorry that was more then obvious -.-

 

[Ralex]

We already have over 60 maps and you guys release a map...COMON

Just to be clear, you're including custom maps, right? Because i've heard that there is only around 30 of them

 

[Greasy_Mullet]

Yea you got to avoid the fanboys. We have a few that are just unbelievable and will defend tooth and nail anything TWI does. On the flip side we have some negative nancys that can find nothing good with the game and do nothing but complain without offering specific feedback. In my opinion both contribute nothing to the conversation which creates a hostile environment where discussion is difficult.

On subject of the update, love what they have done... but frustrated things like Teleportation and zed spawns were not addressed at all. Until these things get fixed my playing time is going to continue to be VERY limited.

 

[Sdeip]

Cannot launch the game anymore ...

(yes everything is up to date, yes I try to run it as administrator, yes I ...)

EDIT : I manage to make it run ... Still have the "shader compiler" error, but ... It's working !

 

[Viddu]

Nice Update. Like the Map and the Characters, but wtf happened with that Bullpup? It`s too freaking loud now. Hurts my Ears.
Also I noticed the Decals it makes when shooting at a Wall are as big as a Head now.

But both btw, does not happen in Zedtime. In Zedtime it`s Fireingsound is less loud and the Deacals are smaller. Just for you to know.
Please fix.

Yea Bullpup is "bug" now.. Its too loud now. About 3 times louder than scar etc.
Hope they fix it soon.

 

[Shuu]

Yea Bullpup is "bug" now.. Its too loud now. About 3 times louder than scar etc.
Hope they fix it soon.

We are aware of the issue with the Bullpup - thanks!