Killing Floor 2 - Update 1008

[JohnNyan]

We already have over 60 maps and you guys release a map...COMON

We just want some more perks and guns to keep the game interesting its becoming stale with 4 perks and very limited weapons.

Gee, I totaly am impresed. 1 map and "find this item" achievement which Everybody Hates
But don't worry, tripwire said we wanted that achievment despite 99% of the forums disagreeing and annoyed.

Tripwire have nothing. Literally zit. The items they added took maybe 1-2 days at most. Map? We have "60". There are code writers in this community who can vouch and say they have/can make perks and balance solo it in the time frame it took All of tripwire to release 1 map. (Which also one person maybe 2 could do in the time frame tripwire had with a team)
Tripwire said they'd shapeup. Every game they've been involved in has been disappointing in some way.

 

[Paronine]

You guys are aware that the entirety of Tripwire doesn't work on the same thing at once, right? Level designers aren't perk programmers aren't weapon makers aren't QA testers. The level design team got a map finished, tested, and out the door first. It's also not the only map they have in the oven; multiple maps are designed and constructed simultaneously. The Manor is also the most intricate and good-looking map I've seen. Not a single one of the mod maps I've played on has nearly this level of detail or polish.

Never mind that designing, programming, and testing a perk is a far more difficult and time-consuming process than these hypothetical code writers are likely to understand. The perks we already have still need balance work and design tweaks in various areas. Assuming one can be farted out over a weekend and not be completely broken is ridiculous, and it shows a complete ignorance of the real work that goes into it.

 

[t0r012]

Killing Floor has always been about selling cosmetics. Nothing that affects gameplay will ever be purchase-limited.

CoughFlare Revolverscough cough

 

[silverlighted]

I find the exclusive characters to be utter bull****. I paid for early access expecting to reap all the benefits that anyone else would be getting. Just because I don't have the first Killing Floor means you aren't going to give me access to these characters? Cool, will not be supporting any longer if this company decides to be doing more of these exclusive updates.

lmao.

Poor TWI. So many KF1 players wanted a little something for themselves. TWI gives it...a very specific bonus, I might add, as it is a direct homage to KF1. Cheers for the ppl who wanted.

But now you got the people (well, at least one person) who don't own KF1 complaining lol. It's just a little loyalty bonus. If you don't want to support his company any longer because they provide bonuses to loyal fans...then...okay. lol, good for you.

Also:

I paid for early access expecting to reap all the benefits that anyone else would be getting.

I don't know what benefits you were expecting to reap. this isn't going to be that sort of EA, and it was never supposed to be. People paid for EA because they wanted early access to the game.

You do realize that there'd be heaps of paid weapon and cosmetic dlc down the line in a year or two, right? lol, You'd probably have a heart attack.

Also, for the record, KF1 is ridiculously cheap on sale.

 

[outofrealman]

Frankly I am unimpressed. Like I said, after all the suggestions, they will put a random change to address the issues. Everyone talk about scrakes/FP's health, what do we do? Slight nerf to speed of zeds on HOE? Umm.... ok...at least for me, I didnt see anyone say zeds are too fast....

Teleporting? Still no words. We are still, totally in the dark. Want more? Just wait for patch notes, we wont even tell you anything in our what are we up to posts. We will let you know if when we have new map/perks if they are nearly finished, but anything else? It's internal information.

 

[UltraJake]

I find the exclusive characters to be utter bull****. I paid for early access expecting to reap all the benefits that anyone else would be getting. Just because I don't have the first Killing Floor means you aren't going to give me access to these characters? Cool, will not be supporting any longer if this company decides to be doing more of these exclusive updates.

They're literally existing characters except with lines from Killing Floor 1 instead. You could mod said lines in for the KF2 version of the character and Tripwire wouldn't care. I don't get you at all.

 

[valleyman]

They're literally existing characters except with lines from Killing Floor 1 instead. You could mod said lines in for the KF2 version of the character and Tripwire wouldn't care. I don't get you at all.

You don't get my argument at all? Cool, thanks for your 2 cents. Not all of us feel like modding the game.

 

[Niall]

KF2 uses a different audio middleware. Kf1 used regular unreal audio. Mods to sound are different now.

 

[JohnNyan]

Frankly I am unimpressed. Like I said, after all the suggestions, they will put a random change to address the issues. Everyone talk about scrakes/FP's health, what do we do? Slight nerf to speed of zeds on HOE? Umm.... ok...at least for me, I didnt see anyone say zeds are too fast....

Teleporting? Still no words. We are still, totally in the dark. Want more? Just wait for patch notes, we wont even tell you anything in our what are we up to posts. We will let you know if when we have new map/perks if they are nearly finished, but anything else? It's internal information.

Oh look, someone who isn't a blind fanboy. +1 for using your brain.
Almost every vet was excited when they hear of this update, now all of them are disappointed save 1-2 hardcore vets who still defend tripwire, while knowing little to zero on how much a proper team would have gotten done since the last patch.

 

[outofrealman]

Oh look, someone who isn't a blind fanboy. +1 for using your brain.
Almost every vet was excited when they hear of this update, now all of them are disappointed save 1-2 hardcore vets who still defend tripwire, while knowing little to zero on how much a proper team would have gotten done since the last patch.

I am totally fine with them talking longer time for better contents, they do give good contents, what I hate is they keep everyone in the dark for not convincing reasons (not convincing for me at least). Its not like I am selfish and want only my opinion get listen, you can SEE on any of the forums, what EVERYBODY concerned, yet no words from them, then comes the random changes. THIS is what I hate.

 

[Juizer]

Agreed, if we can beat hoe with only 4 perks its clearly too easy why make it easier?

Why do you think that it's a problem? If we could easily beat HOE without supports, i would understand you.

 

[JohnNyan]

I am totally fine with them talking longer time for better contents, they do give good contents, what I hate is they keep everyone in the dark for not convincing reasons (not convincing for me at least). Its not like I am selfish and want only my opinion get listen, you can SEE on any of the forums, what EVERYBODY concerned, yet no words from them, then comes the random changes. THIS is what I hate.

Have you noticed that they chose 2 week news updates vs the normal 1 week ever other developer choses?
It's because they have no news. This is why there's a lack of communication and listening. If you have nothing the #1 rule is to hide and pretend you have more than the community expects. They say they have lots of stuff, they even said this over 3 weeks ago. Yet look at now, this patch gives almost nothing. Then They claim once again they have heaps for next patch.

Why do you think that it's a problem? If we could easily beat HOE without supports, i would understand you.

HoE has been beaten without support already, it's also been solo'd with every perk too.

 

[mikkou]

Manor looks absolutely amazing. In fact I would go as far as say its the best looking map right now, with varying environment.

And to everyone complaining about not getting their "thing" in this update, calm down already these things take time and they cant please everyone at once.

 

[silverlighted]

Have you noticed that they chose 2 week news updates vs the normal 1 week ever other developer choses?

Not this bull again.

 

[silverlighted]

Slight nerf to speed of zeds on HOE? Umm.... ok...at least for me, I didnt see anyone say zeds are too fast....

I've seen a few complaints that claim that KF2 on higher levels become kind of a cluster****. Not necessarily that it's a problem of being harder, but that the style itself is now different. They argued that you can't really prioritize targets anymore because every clot is raging at you. Or something like that. I don't know if this actually helps it that much, but that was a thing.

And again, you're putting too much on forum discussion. Perhaps their reason for that nerf lies in the numbers.

 

[outofrealman]

Just usual stuff I expected, people dodge my points and keep mentioning that "TWI is working on it, just wait". I never asked or wanted a date, I want infos SO THAT we can really discuss how to improve.

While we have 100 post on suggestions about how to balance M4, they might end up just replace the gun with another shotgun. Good job for wasting your time, thank you, now wait for another patch notes with random changes.

Oh we heard "some" people want item search achievements. At the same time over 90% of player complaints about teleporting and M4 being useless. May as well spend our time putting ranom stuff around the maps for achievements, but remember, we dont have time to post on forums, just wait for the next patch notes people.

 

[JohnNyan]

Just usual stuff I expected, people dodge my points and keep mentioning that "TWI is working on it, just wait". I never asked or wanted a date, I want infos SO THAT we can really discuss how to improve.

While we have 100 post on suggestions about how to balance M4, they might end up just replace the gun with another shotgun. Harry for wasting your time, thank you, now wait for another patch notes with random changes.

Oh we heard "some" people want item search achievements. At the same time over 90% of player complaints about teleporting and M4 being useless. May as well spend our time putting ranom stuff around the maps for achievements, but remember, we dont have time to post on forums, just wait for the next patch notes people.

Welcome to the forums.
The only people welcome here are fanboys and hardcore die hard vets. Anybody with feedback is ignore. Take for example every post involving proper feedback, it's ignored.

 

[UltraJake]

You don't get my argument at all? Cool, thanks for your 2 cents. Not all of us feel like modding the game.

You didn't have an argument for me to get.

EDIT: To clarify, some people have been asking for a sort of "loyalty" reward for supporting KF1. As a result, Tripwire has been saying since before the Early Access was out that KF1 vets would indeed be getting a little something. This then raised some concern over what "vets" might mean since it's hard to really pinpoint a threshold for that. So what did Tripwire do? Everyone who owned (or perhaps owns) KF1 gets the reward, tier-levels of veterans be damned. It should be noted that this is nothing new or unexpected for Tripwire or video games in general even when one ignores that Tripwire already stated such a promotion was going to happen. Previous examples of cross-game promotions include Red Orchestra 2 and The Ball characters in KF1 and a Mr. Foster mask in TF2. So what exactly is this all-important reward that veterans get? A voice pack done by one of the developers and his friend, i.e. a voice pack that isn't even done by professional voice actors. The lines spoken by the two characters in KF2 was clearly inspired by their incarnations in KF1 since there is some overlap in the voice work. It's a reward that only KF1 vets would appreciate in the first place, so what we're left with is people (mainly you) realizing they failed to do any sort of research into what they were buying and getting angry at everyone else for it.

In summation: Obviously it's impossible to please everyone but (as evident by this thread) people are getting pissed off at every turn. It's not like Tripwire is perfect but there's seriously no winning with you people.

 

[silverlighted]

Just usual stuff I expected, people dodge my points and keep mentioning that "TWI is working on it, just wait". I never asked or wanted a date, I want infos SO THAT we can really discuss how to improve.

While we have 100 post on suggestions about how to balance M4, they might end up just replace the gun with another shotgun. Hurry for wasting your time, thank you, now wait for another patch notes with random changes.

Someone once said this (maybe it was even you). That if TWI gave a bit more details, maybe discussion could be more focused in the forums. But it's way too early. What if they don't know if they want to replace the M4 or not. So yeah, 100 posts on how to balance may help them decide to modify, or adjust. It's way too early, and I've always thought it silly that people expect changes (or in this case, ideas on changes) so quickly.

Oh we heard "some" people want item search achievements. At the same time over 90% of player complaints about teleporting and M4 being useless. May as well spend our time putting ranom stuff around the maps for achievements, but remember, we dont have time to post on forums, just wait for the next patch notes people.

I've mentioned this in the pertinent thread, but again, lol what is that egocentrism for? Maybe you don't like item search achievements, but you are not everyone. This forum is not everyone. Also, did you just compare the item search achievements to zed teleporting and M4 balance? Also, it's been explained up above by Paronine (whose points you chose to dodge) that TWI is made up of different staff. Different staff may be doing different things.

All because a dude was put on to item placement duty, doesn't mean that resources were not appropriately allocated to the other problems (which again, maybe so early in their resolution, they're not ready to update yet).

 

[JohnNyan]

Someone once said this (maybe it was even you). That if TWI gave a bit more details, maybe discussion could be more focused in the forums. But it's way too early. What if they don't know if they want to replace the M4 or not. So yeah, 100 posts on how to balance may help them decide to modify, or adjust. It's way too early, and I've always thought it silly that people expect changes (or in this case, ideas on changes) so quickly.



I've mentioned this in the pertinent thread, but again, lol what is that egocentrism for? Maybe you don't like item search achievements, but you are not everyone. This forum is not everyone. Also, did you just compare the item search achievements to zed teleporting and M4 balance? Also, it's been explained up above by Paronine (whose points you chose to dodge) that TWI is made up of different staff. Different staff may be doing different things.

All because a dude was put on to item placement duty, doesn't mean that resources were not appropriately allocated to the other problems (which again, maybe so early in their resolution, they're not ready to update yet).

As you can see here, this is the famous tatic the fanboy base has release unto thou their most intellectual vet to calmly and sophisticatly disarm and convert one into their own.
How will the comforted player react to the lack of info and made up excuses put forward used to defend tripwire. Let us watch shall we.
Be warned however, one should not point out the obvious truth as it will be ignored as did the many vets who were disappointed with tripwire.