But at what point do you draw the line? Being competetive or playing competetively isn't the problem. The problem is the "As long as I win then the ends justify the means" mentality.
Key to Kills is tweaking
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i turn off the graphics so my 5850 doesn't explode inside my case. i just cannot play with low fps, no matter how immersive it seems. regarding that, the depth of field thing...really? if you had that poor of focus they would have sent you back to the meat cutting plant in moscow (or pushed you off the boat first 
). i know what it's trying to emulate but some things can just be super awkward imho.
). i know what it's trying to emulate but some things can just be super awkward imho.What do you consider low?
I play with a Phenom II x4 940 (3 gig quad core) and an HD 5770. Since yesterday's patch I can play on ultra and run 50-70 FPS with dips into the mid 40's. Admittedly, I play on a low resolution because my monitor is crap and only supports up to 1024 x 768, though.
Well, here's my view on the whole excessive visual tweaking topic.
I would prefer if it was not possible and everyones game looked essentially the same. But if it is possible and if it does give an advantage, then I am most likely going to use those tweaks. I don't go to the extremes of extra low with very high gamma, but I do try to conf the game so that I have better visibility and a stable high FPS.
Here's my reasoning behind why I think it's ok. Some players will always have an advantage over others that comes not from their own skill, but from other places. Someone who has a more powerful PC will have a more stable FPS and an advantage over someone with a weaker PC. Someone who has a gaming mouse, mouse mat, headset and keyboard will have an advantage over people who don't own gaming peripherals. Players who live closer to the server or have a better ISP will have an advantage over those who live further away or have a crappy ISP.
So how come having spent a great deal of money to get an advantage over others is not frowned upon, but tweaking game files to get an advantage is? Food for thought, is it not?
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i have a 24" 1920x1080 Acer that totally craps out at anything besides that rez. So...I guess that's why.
I may be wrong, but I don't really consider money spent to be an issue when it comes to "competitive" gaming. I figure people who are into that sort of thing have already built rigs specifically for that purpose making hardware advantage minimal. My question to you, about the "line", as it were, is more about how one changes the game itself. The screenshots in the thread linked in my sig are a perfect example. When tweaks remove built in difficulty, do you consider those tweaks to be going a step too far?
Lastly, and perhaps slightly OT, I find it more than a little amusing that it's usually "competitive" gamers that I see complaining about games being "dumbed down" for the masses. Then I see how they tweak the game (again, see my sig) and can't help but laugh at them.
I've gotten the jump on a lot of people because I saw their shadow from around a corner and they had no way no knowing I was there, I'll be leaving shadows on tyvm
Well, I thought we were talking about the game in general and about people who play on public servers as well. For true competitive gamers, hardware is usually not an issue, but unless they are playing over LAN at a tournament, server pings still come into play and give certain people an advantage.
Look at it from the point of view of a person who plays on public servers, doesn't have (or is not willing) to spend money on expensive gaming gear and is sitting behind a slow internet connection and lives far away from the popular servers he likes to play on.
Are you really telling me that it's ok for someone who lives a few miles away from the server, has a high end PC with every possible gaming peripheral you can imagine, to have an advantage, but it's not ok for former person to tweak the game to even the odds?
But isn't buying something like this essentially removing built in difficulty as well? At least compared to a person who uses a regular mouse.
And as I said in my first post, I would prefer if excessive visual tweaks were not possible. I just think you need to realize that there are other ways players gain advantages over each other as well.
That is a good point.
Tho the kind of dumbing down competitive gamers usually complain about has more to do with gameplay mechanics than with its visual representation.
I fully agree, hacked drivers and "tuning" graphics to see where you shouldnt be able to see are for cheaters.I can't wait for the first game to lead the way by locking down graphics settings to a predetermined level for all players, hopefully it'll be this one :IS2:
The most important aspect of any game is a level playing field, no matter what some people's failing moral values might be telling them
wouldn't bother with these threads anymore, the daddy gamers whinge about everything.
Making comments like this doesn't really help either side of the argument, now does it?
meh, they completely overlooked the reason why i did that other thread, sure some people may like playing games with there eyes half closed.. which pretty much what default is (btw the lighting on default is completely unrealistic, during the day a place wouldn't be that dark)
also...
- Client Optimization – Your own preferences are fully adjustable, including full key bind, HUD configuration etc
^ what tripwire promised, i took advantage of it, and the daddy gamers think its cheating/exploiting, when really it's not, its just using settings tripwire supplied us.
- Client Optimization – Your own preferences are fully adjustable, including full key bind, HUD configuration etc
^ what tripwire promised, i took advantage of it, and the daddy gamers think its cheating/exploiting, when really it's not, its just using settings tripwire supplied us.
During day on a bright sun it is very difficult to see from outside into a room. And it seems from distance to be dark.
This occurs because sun light blinds the eye and makes it hard to see into places where sun doesn't shine.
Speaking as the "disadvantaged" gamer you describe here (and speaking ONLY for myself), I find it distasteful to do so, personally. We can agree to disagree, but I think that if I were to go that route then I would get less enjoyment out of the game because my performance is due not to my own ability to play the game as it was presented to me but more the result of artificially removing the barriers that are meant to be overcome. That's my view, but again, we can peacefully disagree.
As my integrity maters to me, I have to admit that I have absolutely no idea. I've only ever used a standard, run of the mill, 3-5 button mouse. One of those might be as you ask, but I wouldn't know.
It's not a matter of not realizing that people gain advantages in multiple ways. It's about deciding for myself how far I'm willing to go to get that advantage. The tweaks in my sig are a step I, myself, won't take.
One in the same, in my view. I consider the concealment offered by shadows and foliage to be a game mechanic just as much as cover is. Artificially removing them is dumbing down the game, in my opinion.
You are just a simple cheater, and you are losing more and more of the credibility you had with your every post.
cheating is not using settings tripwire supplied us, get that through your thick heads.
i posted this because
a lot people think that someone is using a hack, when it people tweaking
People yelling someone killed me from 150 m and i am in a back of a dark room
then you have to explain that to him he was in a full light room
IF TWI lets people do this then people should know it allowed
that the dark room they in is not dark to everyone
the grass they see it not there for everyone
the cover they using is not the cover they think it is
a lot people think that someone is using a hack, when it people tweaking
People yelling someone killed me from 150 m and i am in a back of a dark room
then you have to explain that to him he was in a full light room
IF TWI lets people do this then people should know it allowed
that the dark room they in is not dark to everyone
the grass they see it not there for everyone
the cover they using is not the cover they think it is
If you could get beyond this " must have lots of kills " crap, you would enjoy the game far more
A lot of people need to do this. I would hardly profess to being much more than a 'competent' player of RO/RO2, as I came to RO late, however the amount of people who just sit back is astounding.
Was playing fallen fighters with a mate (I think it is Fallen Fighters - has the big open square in the middle...) and he was using the sniper, so he was on the top floor of a building on our side. I had an MG and was next to him, trying to supress people enough that we could move in and take the point. But no one left the building, with the exception of maybe 2 people.
I eventually swapped to a squad leader because none of the other SL's seemed to realise they had smoke, and eventually got to the capzone. And then realised people still weren't with me. I probably got a .25 k/d ratio in that game, yet ironically enough finished near the top of the team beacuse of the extra points I got for kills in the capzone etc.
I do think stats can ruin the game a bit, I like having them, but I'm just as happy not knowing, meaning I, and hopefully the whole team, can just focus on the objective without caring about how many kills we get...
Let me ask a general question. Lets say that in Risk, owning just Greenland would give you automatic +10 reinforcements every turn. That's clearly stupid, unbalanced, and unrealistic. But would you blame the player for taking advantage of it? No! It's NEVER EVER the player's fault if they take advantage of rules in the game. It's only the players fault if they circumvent those rules (3rd party software/aimbots/brightskins, etc.).
Tweaking graphics settings is perfectly within the rules of the game. Unfortunately it gives a clear advantage, and so EVERYONE SHOULD BE USING IT if you care at all about gameplay. You are not allowed to complain about other people using it, it's not their fault. Players have to use it in order to be on equal footing. Change the game so that this isn't possible. I'd complain to the designers. Make a setting on servers that forces you to have certain settings turned on so everyone can enjoy the experience.
In a game where spotting the enemy is almost more important than anything else, you are handicapping yourself by not tweaking graphics settings. If you are OK with that, fine, but you may not yell at others who choose not to handicap themselves. It's the game's fault, never the player's.
So While I agree that this is stupid, and I am not going to tweak my game to the level of the OP in that other thread, I blame that game and it's designers. I don't hold it against other players or deride them for being "competitive jerks." Competitive is not a pejorative term, it's the ultimate level of gaming that not everybody aspires to.
Tweaking graphics settings is perfectly within the rules of the game. Unfortunately it gives a clear advantage, and so EVERYONE SHOULD BE USING IT if you care at all about gameplay. You are not allowed to complain about other people using it, it's not their fault. Players have to use it in order to be on equal footing. Change the game so that this isn't possible. I'd complain to the designers. Make a setting on servers that forces you to have certain settings turned on so everyone can enjoy the experience.
In a game where spotting the enemy is almost more important than anything else, you are handicapping yourself by not tweaking graphics settings. If you are OK with that, fine, but you may not yell at others who choose not to handicap themselves. It's the game's fault, never the player's.
So While I agree that this is stupid, and I am not going to tweak my game to the level of the OP in that other thread, I blame that game and it's designers. I don't hold it against other players or deride them for being "competitive jerks." Competitive is not a pejorative term, it's the ultimate level of gaming that not everybody aspires to.