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HaTeMe

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I'm level 6 at Support :p still I think it sucks.. It's hard to kill enemies at mid-long range, the shotguns can't take down any big enemies without risking the whole team to get those fp arms up the arses.

I'm talking Suicidal here

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Except that you can take out Scrakes with the hunting shotgun after shoftening them up with something else first, AND its not that bad against a fleshpound either. Plus, EVERYTHING ELSE goes down from a single hunting shotgun (double barrel) blast. So what the hell are you talking about? What is "mid-long" range? Shotguns are close range weapons.

And yeah this is also based on suicidal experience, I dont play other difficulties much.

I've only played on Suicidal as long as I've played the game :p I'm also level 6 at SS, MED, COM :D

...What?

So the situation is this:
1. Either you played on nooby servers running Doom2 or similar
or
2. You grinded or bought your levels somewhere so you basically started as lvl 6 on all perks
or
3. You played on "real" suicidal servers with level zero perk, kept dying all the time until you reached some level beetween 3 to 6, and while doing so you ruined the game for everyone on the same server for the month or how ever long it took. And I HATE it when people do this.

Because, no matter how good you are, you simply cant survive on suicidal games with lvl 0-3 perk unless you have a VERY good team. I consider myself a good player and I would have trouble with low level perks too. In fact Ive NEVER seen a lowlevel survive on suicidal. And thats only because low level means you are new to the game, and if you are new to the game you simply cant perform good enough. Its like going to a new job, its not like you would know exactly what to do at the first few weeks of being there.

People who reseted their perks are another thing ofc, since they have most likely hundreds of hours of experience behind them.

Support S compared to the Commando perk. The commando perk wins! It can also as the Su S take down lots of enemies in close combat (if you know how to use it) and it can easily kill enemies at mid range even mid to long range if you've played with it a lot... :-D The Su S can weld doors faster, yes. But I don't see that much use of running around welding doors, and the Su S can carry much more then the other classes but this is just cause its weapons are so damn heavy.

*sigh*

Let me spell it out for you again.

Support Specialist - is - close - range - perk.

It does MUCH better than the commando on close combat situations, if theres a group of specimens in front of you, some of them being husk/bloats/sirens and what not, I guarantee that Support can take them all out faster than the Commando does. One shot from Hunting Shotgun and BOOm they are all down. Commando would have to either waste his clip on body shots or take time aiming to the head, either way it takes much longer and is less efficent than the shotguns.

So basically, the only thing Commando does better is long-range fighting, where Support is almost useless. Just because you dont know how to play with the perk doesnt mean its bad.

I think he want to say that all the M14 spammers using laser all the time and chopping heads easly. Would it be so easy without it?

IMO laser need to be given for other perk.

Yeah, so whats the point in making it run on battery? Either have it, or dont have it. Imo its pretty useless anyway because if you are spamming with the weapon you most likely dont even have time to see the red dot. So if you remove the lasersight they are still going to hipfire with it, maybe not as accurately but who needs accuracy if the weapon kills with bodyshots too.
 
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Undedd Jester

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Pretty much agree with Gibby's post, and I don't really like 1 line suggestions. I know I have a tendency to waffle but seriously, at least try and give a reason for why you think things should be added.

And in regards to this only ever played suicidal business... I call bull. Best player in the world cannot survive on suicidal as a level 0. Its challenging for level 5, tough for level 4, hardcore for level 3, next to impossible for level 2, plain impossible for level 1, and just sad for a level 0. Either its team carried, level glitched, purchased, or exploited. None of which are postive.

Not being nasty, but that claim alone pretty much rubbished any sort of credit your original post had.

But on a constructive note

Its been said a million times, but it remains an issue, the weapon drop and lose ammo thing is pretty annoying, especially when I accidently pick up an extra 9mm, want to have jsut the 1, drop the extra one and lose 9 clips of ammo.


And how many specimens spawn wave 10 6 man is about 64 per player (I'm going on the grounds that I know 64 spawn in solo and 2 players is 120 something i.e. double) so about 384 like Gibz said :)
 

Sammers

FNG / Fresh Meat
Jul 2, 2009
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Why are people still humouring this player?
He clearly has no idea what he's talking about or is busy laughing at how much effort people are putting into replying to suggestions deemed by everyone already, as being pretty much pointless......
 
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imonoz

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Jul 14, 2010
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Dude. Support Specialist... <-- the name. "Support". It's not suppose to run around playing Rambo. You're suppose to support the others. Not being able to take down alle the big suckers, with 2 or 3 shots.

Did you know that KF is a game based on teamwork? That means, for sure that every perk in this game are "Supporting" the team..

The medic perk are supporting with either the syringe or both the syringe and the dart gun.

Support Specialist are supporting the team with its welder.... And also the Syringe, but that's it. (I was gonna say Firepower here cause it's also a support you know, but no I can't do that I really HATE to lie..)

Sharpshooter supporting with the fire power and the syringe as for the rest of the perks.


For those who wanna know how I reached the 6lvl. I started out on suicidal completly pwnd every specimen around me in all the waves and that was it. No need for a FBI Agent in this case.

What the hell? HaTeYoU I didn't say it was for mid-long? I just said that it wasn't for mid-long range.. Which means, this class only covers one era while SS covers 3, C covers 2, Firebug 2, demo 2, berseker 1 but they're also faster, and can take much more in damage.

And the Su S isn't that much better then the commando at close range...
Your probably a new player I can see, cause who the **** takes time aiming for the head in close combat? 25 bullets as for the SCARMK is = 17 kills most often. If let say a husk or a siren is there also. Hunting shotgun is reloading so slowly it is so heavy. So useless (If it's not in c combat) That i dont get it how people still playing with it?
 

C_Gibby

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I started out on suicidal completly pwnd every specimen around me in all the waves and that was it.

I think that everyone can agree that the person who can't use support specialist at all has told a lie.
 

Deadbolt

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you need to learn how to take criticism. there's people in real life that can't take criticism, but this is the fking internet get over people disagreeing with you.
 

imonoz

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swedan
C Gibby I've never said that I can't play with Support Specialist, I can play with every class really good. You have not even played with me.. So what are your facts based on? (At least I have my rights to defend my self)

Terror, I can take criticism. It's just that I don't agree with you. I've never meant to be mean to anyone of you.. So if anyone think I'm just *****ing around here, I'm sorry.. Never meant to. Look what some bad suggestions can do...
 

nutterbutter

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Terror, I can take criticism. It's just that I don't agree with you. I've never meant to be mean to anyone of you.. So if anyone think I'm just *****ing around here, I'm sorry.. Never meant to. Look what some bad suggestions can do...

Not all bad suggestions, just quite a few that others have suggested as well. No really a big deal. Before making a list suggestion no one wants to have to do a search for every single one. I thought that whole "trolling" thing was out of line as well. People just like to point the finger around here and tell others how stupid they are.
 

C_Gibby

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C Gibby I've never said that I can't play with Support Specialist, I can play with every class really good.

Ehhh, if someone's good with Support Specialist (or any perk, really) they won't say it's bad. Support Specialist was my first Level 6, and I found it very powerful. The only classes that can really be considered underpowered is the Firebug and Berzerker. Zerker because of the chainsaw nerf (or rather, zerker is broken) and Firebug is harder to play as due to only one weapon and the inability to bring down larger ZEDs.
 

CA_Hiro

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Did you know that KF is a game based on teamwork? That means, for sure that every perk in this game are "Supporting" the team..

The medic perk are supporting with either the syringe or both the syringe and the dart gun.

Support Specialist are supporting the team with its welder.... And also the Syringe, but that's it. (I was gonna say Firepower here cause it's also a support you know, but no I can't do that I really HATE to lie..)
Support Specialist are supporting the team with the welder and taking down the bigger zeds, if they get too close and good for "crowd control"

You are still talking about the support specialist being bad, cause it's the only perk, who can't shoot at long range. It can if you are lucky, but using it as a long range perk, isn't the purpose of it. You're suppose to wait till they get close enough. And then the penetration. Aside from the xbow, all 3 shotguns are able to hit multiple enemies cause of the spread and penetration.

It is just as good af if you were the Commando. Cause of the full automatic, you can just focus on one at the time, but at a very fast pace so you clear out the area real quick. Just as the Supporter. And it's the same with the SS.
 
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Unit-05

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C Gibby I've never said that I can't play with Support Specialist, I can play with every class really good. You have not even played with me.. So what are your facts based on? (At least I have my rights to defend my self)

Terror, I can take criticism. It's just that I don't agree with you. I've never meant to be mean to anyone of you.. So if anyone think I'm just *****ing around here, I'm sorry.. Never meant to. Look what some bad suggestions can do...

Out of curiosity then, can you please record a video of you playing the support specialist and then post it for us to see? make sure you show that it is on suicidal and that it is really you
 

HaTeMe

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Your probably a new player I can see, cause who the **** takes time aiming for the head in close combat?

Exactly, you wont. Thats why Support is much more effective at close range. Thats the point.

You are making these mindless claims that Support is the worst perk ever made while the rest of the community thinks its at the top 3 at least. Then you make another mindless claim of "pwning" every zed on suicidal since the day you started playing the game. Thats just impossible, because how can you be at your best if you dont know the maps yet, dont know the weapons, dont know the specimens, dont know the game mechanics, and also being like 4 levels behind the recommendation for suicidal. Thats right, you cant. Which means you are full of bull****.

Surely after playing a week or few and after actually learning the game you might, just MIGHT be able to survive in suicidal even with low level perks, but still it wouldnt be a cakewalk. Even the players I know who've played this game since the mod days have trouble on suicidal with lower level perks unless - like I said before - their team is very good (too). Or maybe you played on solo and glitched or something, then I might believe you owning every specimen just like that.

Like everyone should, I started out at normal difficulty. The first days I kept dying like anyone would, but after a week it started feeling too easy so I moved to hard difficulty. Played there for a while and then gave a shot on suicidal and been playing there ever since. But only a fool would start straight from the hardest difficulty without even knowing the basics yet. Its just your own arrogance.
 
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imonoz

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swedan
I don't wanna take this discussion any further, you have one way to think I have another. End of story, shall we?
 

Sammers

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I don't wanna take this discussion any further, you have one way to think I have another. End of story, shall we?
Your way to think seems to be "Change these things to match my play style and mines alone."
Is it that hard to see why people are disagreeing?