Is the chainsaw useless
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At level 6 with 100% damage boost
Fire Axe perk damage: Reg- 250~350 Alt- 600~826
Katana Perk damage: Reg- 200~270 Alt- 300~410
In terms or raw damage per hit, Fire Axe kicks Katana square in the balls. Katana easily has a higher DPs though. It's worth pointing out however that players don't normally reach the highest DPS with Katana, since it's not "fully-auto" but they'll still get higher DPS with it. But that 826 with the 1.25 headshot multiplier is nothing to be scoffed at. Especially for only
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Well one handy thing about the chainsaw is that you can just extend your weapon with the primary fire and have crawlers just jump at you and die without taking damage. As others have said it is a decent choice if you plan on staying in one spot and not moving around much. That being said I too prefer the katana.
A bit off topic, but I've noticed you can interrupt the secondary fire's swing by hitting the primary fire, so you could get in a bunch of mini swings if you wanted to in a short span of time. Does anyone know if this changes your damage in someway? I can't tell much of a difference so I'm thinking it just reduces your damage :/
A bit off topic, but I've noticed you can interrupt the secondary fire's swing by hitting the primary fire, so you could get in a bunch of mini swings if you wanted to in a short span of time. Does anyone know if this changes your damage in someway? I can't tell much of a difference so I'm thinking it just reduces your damage :/
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Neither do I. My bad. But yeah, it's still a fairly hefty attack for the price.
Did you take into account the "Backstab" and headshot mulitpliers? "Backstab" double your base damage, while the headshot multiplier varies with weapons...... I think.
Let's assess the worth of the chainsaw and katana in the various situations a berserker finds himself in:
Settings: 6p suicidal
Assumptions: Chainsaw primary head shots are useless as they allow the specimen to survive (while decapitated). Katana grants increased swing speed compared to chainsaw secondary, and grants a big movement speed bonus.
1. Holding a position
1a. With no room to back up
Winner: Katana
1b. With room to back up
Winner: Katana
2. On The Run
Winner: Katana
3. Against the Big Guys
3a. Scrakes
You can kill them with both
Tie
3b. Fleshpounds
Winner: Katana
Katana wins 5-1 against chainsaw.
They both suck at holding your ground with no room to back up, but katana sucks slightly less. If chainsaw had the capacity to kill gorefasts and clots on decapitation, I could see it far out perform katana in a small area. You could kill everything rushing with primary, and take the medium sizes out with secondary.
Since we currently have to dedicate a secondary chainsaw shot to kill the small stuff, the slow swing speed of the chainsaw results in berserkers taking unnecessary damage. In a group of 3 gorefasts rushing the chainsaw berserker, the first dies immediately, the second dies right before his swing lands, and the third gets a full hit in. Throw in anything else, such as crawlers or clots, and more damage is taken.
Settings: 6p suicidal
Assumptions: Chainsaw primary head shots are useless as they allow the specimen to survive (while decapitated). Katana grants increased swing speed compared to chainsaw secondary, and grants a big movement speed bonus.
1. Holding a position
1a. With no room to back up
- Katana - Can bodyshot-kill clots and crawlers. Bodyshots stun gorefasts. Headshots kill gorefasts, sirens, and husks. No weaknesses.
- Chainsaw - Bodyshots kill everything below husks. Swings speed results in a few specimen piling up and hitting you before you can kill them. Theoretically possible to kill crawlers before they hit you, but unreliable.
Winner: Katana
1b. With room to back up
Winner: Katana
2. On The Run
Winner: Katana
3. Against the Big Guys
3a. Scrakes
You can kill them with both
Tie
3b. Fleshpounds
- Katana - When a FP is low on health and rushing you, high swing speed and headshot damage, coupled with possibility to back up quickly while attacking, makes this a reliable, though sometimes costly, way to deal with FP.
- Chainsaw - Slow swing speed, low HS damage, slow movement.
Winner: Katana
Katana wins 5-1 against chainsaw.
They both suck at holding your ground with no room to back up, but katana sucks slightly less. If chainsaw had the capacity to kill gorefasts and clots on decapitation, I could see it far out perform katana in a small area. You could kill everything rushing with primary, and take the medium sizes out with secondary.
Since we currently have to dedicate a secondary chainsaw shot to kill the small stuff, the slow swing speed of the chainsaw results in berserkers taking unnecessary damage. In a group of 3 gorefasts rushing the chainsaw berserker, the first dies immediately, the second dies right before his swing lands, and the third gets a full hit in. Throw in anything else, such as crawlers or clots, and more damage is taken.
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I took in the headshot multipliers. Axe has 1.25.
You know if you don't aim for the head with Chainsaw, it's infinitely better, right?
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It is 4 times better.
You still don't want to fight fleshpounds with that.
In fact the only melee weapon that can truly take on a pound would be the ax but only if you can repeatedly hit the head.
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It most certainly does but if you're playing with a team of lv2s, that's gonna happen anyway.
More time to desperately bash the the head before you backpedal to hack away 3 more times.
I tried that yesterday.
No one had an xbow nor pipes but it worked surprisingly well.
Until there somehow was a raging pound behind that raging pound I just dropped.
Then again, it was only hard.
6-man hard fleshpound can be drop by 6lv zerker with katana before he has the chance to place his second raging pound. Not sure about the axe, but with enough spacing (like the tunnel in manor), 6lv zerker can drop one pound without getting hurt.
For suicidal, I dont dare to run up to his face cos that raging pound is an instan-kill. I normally shoot him with some LAR shot until he rage. (Of cos this is the worst case that I have to kill the pound on my own)
Axe primary attack will never rage an fp unless you are attacking too frequently. The only advantage a katana has over the axe is the swing speed but two quick hits from the katana will rage the fp, so you can only get in 1 hit with each weapon every 2 seconds. This makes the axe the best weapon since its max damage is higher than the katana's and it doesn't exceed the damage threshold to trigger the rage state.
It can be done on suicidal as well. Just less margin of error to pull it off.
YouTube - Killing Floor - Foundry Wave 10 + Patriarch on Suicidal With Berserkers
Zerker (w/ axe) vs. Fleshpound time ranges
1:55 - 2:10 -> success
2:40 - 2:50 -> failed attempt gets other zerker mauled
6:15 - 6:35 -> success
7:15 - 7:30 -> success (reel off 2 hits on the next fp but have to run)
8:40 - 9:15 -> medic + zerk finished it off with LAR headshots
When enraging the fp through damage, it doesn't matter where you hit the fp. The accumulator that keeps track of how much damage you've done in a 2 second period uses the base damage of the weapon, not the damage scaled by perk bonuses and resistances. There are some exceptions, such as the crossbow, which has separate head shot multipliers, or melee weapons with the glitched backstabbing code that adjust the damage accordingly before calling the specimen's TakeDamage() function. The rage damage threshold is 360 in a 2 second period. You can look this up in ZombieFleshPound.TakeDamage() [ZombieFleshPound.uc] or just do these two tests:
- Level 6 SS - 1 xbow to the body followed by 2 pistol shots
- 300 (xbow base) + 2*35 (9mm base damage) = 370 damage
- Any perk - 3 LAR shots
- 140 ( lar base damage) * 3 = 420 damage
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