Is Berzerker the strongest Perk?

[Deathgrip22]

Hell, the wealthy make a ton of money, extra taxes won't make a massive difference. I could see small business owners that look rich on paper, but all of it is tied up in business.

I don't have any sympathy for people that can buy Ferarris, ect. Worry more about people that got to choose between food and medicine, while the company they work for is raking in record profits.

Capitalism sucks, but it's the least crappy system out there, unfortunately.

As for the zerker, commando is far better at crowd control. I can destroy any zed effortlessly besides FP and SC at the moment, and SC is getting easier as I practice more. I've played zerk a few times, never really got into it.

you're an economic fool

you know what people/companies make tons of money? the ones that provide tons of goods and services

you when you "tax the rich people" (always small to large business) that are already weighed down and operating on small profit margins, the increased cost to the operation is ALWAYS passed down to the consumer. this is why Canadians go across the boarder to buy things, because they're cheaper... why?

Because when the raw materials are sold to the material processor, they're taxed less, when the processed materials are sold the manufacturer, they're taxed less, when the manufactured materials are sold to distributors, they're taxed less, and so when they're sold to YOU they COST less.
Taxes on "rich persons" (companies are viewed as "persons") always results on increased prices of the middle class and poor most effected by those increased prices.
Why? So the government can PISS IT AWAY

"I don't have any sympathy for people that can buy Ferarris, ect. Worry more about people that got to choose between food and medicine"
...and what life choices did these people make to be put in that position? The vast majority of people on welfare are (1)white (2)female, and (3)single-parent
If your a non-disabled, childless, single man, I have no sympathy for you, get a ****ing job.

This horse-**** about people who have to choose "between food and medicine" as if they are totally irresponsible for being in that situation, is horse-****.

Its amazing that ignorant, left-wing brainwashed people have such strong opinions about these "lazy wealthy rich people", do you know any? Of coarse not. You don't know a damn thing about the economy either. Just an envious attitude self-justified with media soundbites.

 

[Rainydaykid]

you're an economic fool

you know what people/companies make tons of money? the ones that provide tons of goods and services

you when you "tax the rich people" (always small to large business) that are already weighed down and operating on small profit margins, the increased cost to the operation is ALWAYS passed down to the consumer. this is why Canadians go across the boarder to buy things, because they're cheaper... why?

Because when the raw materials are sold to the material processor, they're taxed less, when the processed materials are sold the manufacturer, they're taxed less, when the manufactured materials are sold to distributors, they're taxed less, and so when they're sold to YOU they COST less.
Taxes on "rich persons" (companies are viewed as "persons") always results on increased prices of the middle class and poor most effected by those increased prices.
Why? So the government can PISS IT AWAY

"I don't have any sympathy for people that can buy Ferarris, ect. Worry more about people that got to choose between food and medicine"
...and what life choices did these people make to be put in that position? The vast majority of people on welfare are (1)white (2)female, and (3)single-parent
If your a non-disabled, childless, single man, I have no sympathy for you, get a ****ing job.

This horse-**** about people who have to choose "between food and medicine" as if they are totally irresponsible for being in that situation, is horse-****.

Its amazing that ignorant, left-wing brainwashed people have such strong opinions about these "lazy wealthy rich people", do you know any? Of coarse not. You don't know a damn thing about the economy either. Just an envious attitude self-justified with media soundbites.

Well, I'm about to graduate with a Chemistry degree, so fool I am not. Economics is far easier to understand than that. Second, I am not a left wing, nor am I brainwashed. I served in Iraq in 2004, and own firearms. So you can take your pompous BS somewhere else.

You are a fking idiot, and just showed it by all the crap you spewed about me, knowing nothing. You can go take a break now and remove the foot from your mouth.

 

[Kothre]

Well, I'm about to graduate with a Chemistry degree, so fool I am not. Economics is far easier to understand than that. Second, I am not a left wing, nor am I brainwashed. I served in Iraq in 2004, and own firearms. So you can take your pompous BS somewhere else.

You are a fking idiot, and just showed it by all the crap you spewed about me, knowing nothing. You can go take a break now and remove the foot from your mouth.

Above: the equivalent of shoving cotton in your ears and chanting "I know stuff about stuff that isn't economics, so I know economics. Shuddup shuddup shuddup shuddup."

Not that I support derailing the thread, but seriously.

 

[Nocturnal7x]

I think berserker is better than we have given it credit for. Ive seen some very good berserkers the last couple days, high level, very affective. One even had more kills than me (I was a commando and ALWAYS have the most kills) he was in a better spot but still, berserker can be effective.

Its probably just difficult to play, I haven't tried it yet, but soon.

 

[Rainydaykid]

Above: the equivalent of shoving cotton in your ears and chanting "I know stuff about stuff that isn't economics, so I know economics. Shuddup shuddup shuddup shuddup."

Not that I support derailing the thread, but seriously.

I said economics was easier. I never said I didn't study economics. It's a hell of a lot easier than chemistry and physics, especially the stuff they call math.

Anyways, the dude is an idiot dragging politics into this forum. I hate politics and all the crap that goes with it.

I've had my say, put the guy on ignore, and just want to get back to talking about the game.

The last couple of days, I have had the pleasure of playing with some good berzerkers. They definitely helped with the game I was in. I'd cover them while they killed the big guys, and kill trash around them as commando.

As far as changes needed, I'm not sure what needs to be done, I've barely played berzerker much, and when I do, I just use the nailgun and play kinda like a commando, occasionally bashing heads. The few times I used the pulverizer on scrakes, I died.

 

[Horror_Duck]

Deathgrip 22. Who the hell do you think you are derailing the discussion? The OP put a load of effort into their argument and people have put a lot of thought back. Stop jerking each other off and get back onto the subject...jeez.

Its a bad day when an idiot like me is having to police the forums.

 

[SteelSoldier]

All things have a purpose, no matter if what you study is harder/easier, all this stuff is subjective, it doesnt matter if you are studying chemistry or not, what matters is BERZERKER.

 

[Rainydaykid]

All things have a purpose, no matter if what you study is harder/easier, all this stuff is subjective, it doesnt matter if you are studying chemistry or not, what matters is BERZERKER.

I agree, I just found it funny that he tried to act all impressive with his economics thing, and I'm studying something far harder. Economics is kindergarten math compared to Calculus and linear algebra.

But the berzerker thing made me think of that line in Clerks, lol.

 

[Senario]

you're an economic fool

you know what people/companies make tons of money? the ones that provide tons of goods and services

you when you "tax the rich people" (always small to large business) that are already weighed down and operating on small profit margins, the increased cost to the operation is ALWAYS passed down to the consumer. this is why Canadians go across the boarder to buy things, because they're cheaper... why?

Because when the raw materials are sold to the material processor, they're taxed less, when the processed materials are sold the manufacturer, they're taxed less, when the manufactured materials are sold to distributors, they're taxed less, and so when they're sold to YOU they COST less.
Taxes on "rich persons" (companies are viewed as "persons") always results on increased prices of the middle class and poor most effected by those increased prices.
Why? So the government can PISS IT AWAY

"I don't have any sympathy for people that can buy Ferarris, ect. Worry more about people that got to choose between food and medicine"
...and what life choices did these people make to be put in that position? The vast majority of people on welfare are (1)white (2)female, and (3)single-parent
If your a non-disabled, childless, single man, I have no sympathy for you, get a ****ing job.

This horse-**** about people who have to choose "between food and medicine" as if they are totally irresponsible for being in that situation, is horse-****.

Its amazing that ignorant, left-wing brainwashed people have such strong opinions about these "lazy wealthy rich people", do you know any? Of coarse not. You don't know a damn thing about the economy either. Just an envious attitude self-justified with media soundbites.

This entire post is about politics and not Berserker. Since when did the Killing Floor Forums become the place to discuss politics. Oh and curse out other people. That is always a way to be sympathetic to others and liked. I'm sure you're fun at parties.

Feels like half this thread is politics and not the topic of Berserker. Pretty funny.

Edit: I do still feel like Berserker Perk skills need work. And I really dislike the feeling of dependency on the other teammates when other classes simply haven't shown that yet. They feel pretty self sufficient. I shouldn't need to rely on others being good to be able to do something fun and useful. EMP nades is about all we have right now.

 

[Rainydaykid]

This entire post is about politics and not Berserker. Since when did the Killing Floor Forums become the place to discuss politics. Oh and curse out other people. That is always a way to be sympathetic to others and liked. I'm sure you're fun at parties.

Feels like half this thread is politics and not the topic of Berserker. Pretty funny.

Edit: I do still feel like Berserker Perk skills need work. And I really dislike the feeling of dependency on the other teammates when other classes simply haven't shown that yet. They feel pretty self sufficient. I shouldn't need to rely on others being good to be able to do something fun and useful. EMP nades is about all we have right now.

Every other class is pretty dependent. Maybe not to the level of zerk, which is a problem, but they all have strengths and weaknesses. I don't play a zerk much, but I am about to start, because I'm getting bored with everything else at the moment.

 

[Deathgrip22]

Well, I'm about to graduate with a Chemistry degree, so fool I am not. Economics is far easier to understand than that. Second, I am not a left wing, nor am I brainwashed. I served in Iraq in 2004, and own firearms. So you can take your pompous BS somewhere else.

You are a fking idiot, and just showed it by all the crap you spewed about me, knowing nothing. You can go take a break now and remove the foot from your mouth.

What people are, and what they usually say they are, are usually different things.
Understanding the economy is easy, is it?

If economics is far easier to understand than Chemistry (indeed, if it's "easy" at all), then you should get into the field, you'll make a boat-load of money. But let me guess, 'o graduate of Chemistry, you don't do it for the money.

I said economics was easier. I never said I didn't study economics. It's a hell of a lot easier than chemistry and physics, especially the stuff they call math.

Anyways, the dude is an idiot dragging politics into this forum. I hate politics and all the crap that goes with it.

Then *who* brought it up?

And your sig is the final nail in the coffin.

Oh Yeah. But funny, even though this was between me and him, you injected yourself into the discussion somehow, you know, even thought you "hate politics and all the crap that goes with it."

Just a heads up: when you say that a conversation is idiotic, but then choose to get involved in that conversation, that either means you are an idiot or you're just cowering away for cover.

 

[Deathgrip22]

Deathgrip 22. Who the hell do you think you are derailing the discussion? The OP put a load of effort into their argument and people have put a lot of thought back. Stop jerking each other off and get back onto the subject...jeez.

Its a bad day when an idiot like me is having to police the forums.

Watch out, Horror_Duck, you'll find that the actual moderators (at least one anyway) doesn't like people who aren't moderators, acting like moderators.

 

[q3.railgun]

There's 3 types of players that play the zerker class.

1) People that have no idea how to play the class at all.
2) People that play for the team, clear trash mobs on doors and give dosh away early waves until FP waves where they will need a Pulverizer and use EMP for Scrakes. Less risky play as medics will be nearby to heal if needed.
3) People that go off to hold a spot on their own to thin the mob count for the team. Exceptional at taking minimal dmg, holding their own and has good knowledge for how to dodge. Still toss out dosh for teammates until FP waves where they will need the Pulv.

The common trait is the giving money away for that wave 2 bullpup for commandos. You're no longer a tanking machine, install that thought into your head. You're a full on support, the less reliant you are on Medics the more useful you are for your team. If you don't feel confident in taking on half the mob count on your own without tier 3-4 ranged weapons then the zerker is not the class for you.

 

[Quintuplin]

Yeah, being team ***** doesn't sound like a good time. Guess I'll just wait for zerker to be buffed so it can break people out of this mindset and we can go back to actually spending our own dosh on our own ****, and have it be worth the investment.

 

[M34T-B4G_441]

Thing is, it's not the Zerker who is strong, it's the weapons. It's the EMP grenades and the Pulverizer doing the work, not the Zerker. The Support is perforating entire hordes with his shotguns, the Commando is spotting for Stalkers and putting himself in front of squishier teammates, the Medic is running around healing team mates and keeping himself alive better with his armor, the Zerker is... running a bit faster and hitting a little faster.

The biggest issue he has right now, hands down, is that despise being the perk who is more at risk than any other one right now, he's the one with the least amount of survivability right now. All he has is a 5% Damage Reduction. That's it.

 

[Lexxure]

Thing is, it's not the Zerker who is strong, it's the weapons. It's the EMP grenades and the Pulverizer doing the work, not the Zerker. The Support is perforating entire hordes with his shotguns, the Commando is spotting for Stalkers and putting himself in front of squishier teammates, the Medic is running around healing team mates and keeping himself alive better with his armor, the Zerker is... running a bit faster and hitting a little faster.

The biggest issue he has right now, hands down, is that despise being the perk who is more at risk than any other one right now, he's the one with the least amount of survivability right now. All he has is a 5% Damage Reduction. That's it.

How do I +1 this? Because that nails it on the head. That's why I run medic with the pulverizer since that extra 75 armor is immensely more useful than the berserker's entire kit.

To the OP, I think I agree with most everything you said, but I'd ask, what do you think of using a medic in place of a berserker in the frontline with the pulverizer? I feel like with one or two grenades at your feet you could very easily tank multiple scrakes and fleshpounds by parrylocking them, while your team mows them down. This won't work in all situations, and it obviously requires a second medic to heal as well, but to me it feels like a safer sort of playstyle.

This won't work on all spots, and it typically works best on the skybridge on Paris since you can funnel most of the zeds in one direction (welding one of the side doors, letting the rest funnel to the front). (As a side note I kinda wish there were better camp spots, that honestly feels like the only good camp spot on any of the three maps right now.)

 

[cydmab]

To the OP, I think I agree with most everything you said, but I'd ask, what do you think of using a medic in place of a berserker in the frontline with the pulverizer? I feel like with one or two grenades at your feet you could very easily tank multiple scrakes and fleshpounds by parrylocking them, while your team mows them down. This won't work in all situations, and it obviously requires a second medic to heal as well, but to me it feels like a safer sort of playstyle.

I'm not the OP, but I am one of the berserkers that plays with him, and I was playing with him last night and I proposed, after we ran a couple runs with me playing as a berserker, that we try a run with me as medzerker instead. We decided against it.

Why? Because the weak link in our camp was being able to kill the scrakes and fleshpounds FAST enough. I was perfectly able to tank fleshpounds, and "tank" scrakes with an emp grenade (and could emergency-tank them like a medzerker if things went wrong; recall berserker's have the ability to reduce enemy damage by 25% when they hit an enemy with their meele weapon); the issue was whether we could kill them quickly enough before the group got overwhelmed by trash, sirens, and worse, more scrakes/fleshpounds. We had a rule: if there were a total of 3 fleshpounds/scrakes in the camp, then we had to break camp.

Which is FASTER at killing scrakes/fleshpounds, a berserker or medzerker? For fleshpounds, a berserker does roughly 50% more damage than a medzerker (25% damage + 20% attack speed), although in practice one might need to modifiy that value based on reloading (berserker will come out even further ahead if he has to reload less, or have less of an advantage if, say, both classes would have to reload once before the fleshpounder dies). For scrakes, an emp grenade minimizes the amount of head movement relative to facetanking the scrake, and the berserker can be shooting along with the group.

If anything, based on last night's experience, we were starting to think 2 berserkers would be better than one, to help speed up killing of fleshpounders, and to help with trash when using a camp that doesn't funnel them into a very narrow point. (However, we didn't have enough people with high level berserker who weren't already performing some other essential task) At the least, I was suggesting medics/supports should consider buying pulverizers to help kill fleshpounders faster.

(According to my math, due to fleshpound resistances/vulnerabilities, an off-perk pulverizer kills fleshpounds faster than an on-perk AA12, and, just as importantly, allows one to save aa12 ammo for emergencies/scrakes) [2187 damage/magazine for on perk AA12, 3222 damage per magazine for off-perk pulverizer, 4027 for an on-perk pulverizer (plus higher attack rate) - a berserker is about twice as effective at killing fleshpounds than a support] However, in practice one needs to also consider relative chance of headshots or aa12 vs/pulverizer, whether support should be killing trash instead of fighting the fleshpound at all, and that a support might want to throw grenades first, delaying his ability to enter meele range)

 

[Rainydaykid]

The nailgun seems like a great weapon, but I don't see many people using it. Seems like you could pair it with a pulverizer and kill trash with nailgun headshots, if you didn't have a commando, though every team should.

 

[Savage Rodent]

There's 3 types of players that play the zerker class.

1) People that have no idea how to play the class at all.
2) People that play for the team, clear trash mobs on doors and give dosh away early waves until FP waves where they will need a Pulverizer and use EMP for Scrakes. Less risky play as medics will be nearby to heal if needed.
3) People that go off to hold a spot on their own to thin the mob count for the team. Exceptional at taking minimal dmg, holding their own and has good knowledge for how to dodge. Still toss out dosh for teammates until FP waves where they will need the Pulv.

The common trait is the giving money away for that wave 2 bullpup for commandos. You're no longer a tanking machine, install that thought into your head. You're a full on support, the less reliant you are on Medics the more useful you are for your team. If you don't feel confident in taking on half the mob count on your own without tier 3-4 ranged weapons then the zerker is not the class for you.

I tend to be number 3 when I play berserker. It's the most enjoyable class for me, but I've been playing a lot of medic recently because I can move fast with anything equipped.

The nailgun seems like a great weapon, but I don't see many people using it. Seems like you could pair it with a pulverizer and kill trash with nailgun headshots, if you didn't have a commando, though every team should.

Nailgun doesn't give you your movement speed bonus. That's why I don't use it.



The major things I like with the berserker is:

1.Movement speed (is better with medic, which I think berserker should be able to move faster than the medic. This gives the berserker the ability to get to teammates for that extra exp and get out of sticky situations easier since he is squishy. Plus he only gets his movement speed bonus with berserker weapons (besides the nailgun which is weird))

2. The skill for not getting grabbed by clots (there is a glitch with this skill I hear, but I haven't run into it)

3. The bloat, siren, and damage resistances (though 5% isn't much).

I haven't played HoE with berserker much, but suicidal wasn't bad. Husks don't die with a single alt pulverizer hit with more than 4 players I believe, but I can usually handle them just fine.

 

[veryBadKarMa]

I've just posted the following on the steam forum, but I think it fits here aswell:

I recently wanted to play zerker. I have medic maxed on level 25 (fav perk - in KF1 aswell) and zerker on level 7. Still I'm being a better zerker by playing the medic perk with zerker weapons. I just don't see any reason to switch the perk to zerker yet. I even leveled zerker better up by being medic level 25, as I kept alive longer.

There isn't any real reason to switch to zerker (as long as it is in lower levels)! Even/especially the lvl5 skills (nightvision or ammo for ranged zerker weapons) did not do anything to convince me to switch.
I actually don't think the powerful medic is the problem: I'm neither a better commando nor a better support (both around lvl5) by playing maxed medic and selecting their weapons!