Is anyone still talking about the T34?
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Nope, same with jamming. Should be left for the sake of gameplay.
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It's pretty evident that the game doesn't model the HE charges in the AP projectiles anyway. Since if they did, the 150g TNT charge in the BR-350A would most likely kill the entire crew on every penetrating hit to the crew compartment.
But I feel that they should add these charges, and if they do, then they need to model the unreliable fuse in the BR-350A.
Jamming is a far more complicated addition to make. Weapon maintenance, weapon design, ammunition quality control, ambient temperature, firing patterns, are just some of the factors that would need to be considered.
Modeling a faulty fuse in a round which was commonly known for it is simple in comparison.
You can just leave it to chance. Simply add jamming to all weapons. Add more jamming to drum PPSh and ability to remove first few bullets as a veteran unlock, to (almost) remove jamming, it was so reliable everyone loved it. There you'll have axis future weapons nerf. Laser gun MP40 jammed? Too bad, try again after respawn. Want to Mkb? Too bad it will be jamming you'll have to fight with, not the enemy. Like MG34 with 250 round belt? Too bad, jamming loves it too.
For weapon maintenance, reduce jamming for higher levels, more expirienced solders looked after their weapons (but not to the extent of jam-proof weapons). For ammunition quality control, you dont need it, its Stalingrad, you get ammo, you are happy with it. And, well, temperrature you can nerf german guns even more, but lets be fair and let germans retain ther future guns ability to shoot.
You see, its simple, even simplier than soviet shell composition and ballistic calculation. And it will balance out german and soviet weapons. And everyone will be using bolt-action rifle as they will jam much less than any other rifles (or will they even jam?).
Soviet reliable weapons are fine.
p.s. I dont want to shoot PzIV 10 times because I was unlucky, shell shattered and fuse didnt work, I dont want t-34 driver to wtf rape me because he was lucky. At least jamming makes more sense (not much though, in terms of gameplay. But at least it will balance out axis and soviet weapons. Realism, hell yeah!). There could be increased jamming chance for being prone, running, reloading and for ammount of bullets shoot and almost zero jamming after respawn. And the chance will be nowehere near 50%.
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I suppose that could work. But they'd need to add a command and animations to clear jams for all of the weapons. It would balance some of the German weapons so people would stop crying that they're overpowered. Certainly a better option, in my opinion, than making them less effective than they were in real life.
Even if the fuse doesn't work, a penetration will still cause damage (same as it does now), it just wouldn't kill everyone in the tank. That 150g TNT charge (when it works) is like a hand grenade going off inside the tank.
A shell shattering on impact would just be a non-penetrating hit. For all we know, this is already in the game. It would certainly explain why the T-34 has trouble penetrating the Panzer IV.
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Field Marshal Rommel
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Agreed. The game is bugged and needs looking into.
The model in game (Ausf. F2) should have 40 cm wide tracks and not the earlier 36 cm tracks (Ausf. A-E)
I would think this would apply more to the FHA 80 mm thick Panzer IV's vs the BR-350A as the round is poor quality and is overmatched by the armor thickness.Teufel Hund said:
Is this number for the heavier J or the lighter F2?Teufel Hund said:
Sure there is. This is a game. Its overpowered just like in the first RO to give it a chance vs tanks, no one would use it otherwise. I don't agree with TWs awful logic though.Vesper11 said:
Actually the ppsh drum users would be the most pissed off.Vesper11 said:
These are rare rounds but that never stopped TW. Example: MkB 42. So I would not be surprised if its the BS-41 in game instead of the B-32.Teufel Hund said:
Either its not modeled or its woefully impotent in game on both sides. Ive been saying this since September.Teufel Hund said:
The armor spalling in the low armor quality T34 would.
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Why talking about the tanks?
Tanking at RO2 sucks (on most maps), cause the maps are to small
for usefull tanking. Better replace the tanks by halftracks and such
things thats usefull for the whole team and wait for maps where tanks
fit the gameplay (like the old arad).
Tanking at RO2 sucks (on most maps), cause the maps are to small
for usefull tanking. Better replace the tanks by halftracks and such
things thats usefull for the whole team and wait for maps where tanks
fit the gameplay (like the old arad).
This is why TWI shouldnt bother tankcombat in RO2. The maps are not made for it. Nor the tanks (lol).
I think the mistake is in having both sides using tanks on these small maps. Much better to have one side assaulting with tank support, and the other side just infantry defending.
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Example: DH-Cheneux or DH-Maupertus. The Germans would need a Panzer IV F1 to assault in RO II though.
A StuH 42 or SiG 33B would be even better, both saw action in Stalingrad.
The SiG 33B and the StuH 42 are both built on the Panzer III chassis. So it may be easier to just wait for TWI to add the Panzer III, and then base the model off of that.