IS 2 greatest tank of ww2

[LemoN]

err what? check out penentration stats for weapons like 57mm soviet AT gun, or the 85mm guns. They could take out vast majority of German tanks with ease.

People seem 2 forget that it was very rarely that tank fights occured >1000m range. Just like it is rare even in Afghanistan for very long-range firefights.

T-34 was without question the most advanced tank design in its time (1941). It had mistakes like all new tank designs have, but they were soon fixed. It was simple - this was no weakness. It had superiour speed all the way till 34/85.

Allied tanks were generally junk in tank2tank combat and were built 2 be mass produced. Shermans were nicknamed tommy cookers for an entire year b4 the problems were fixed. Sure maybe allied tanks weren't meant 2 be used as AT weapons per US doctrine, but they were - many times in 1944 and 1945.

I think just comparing a tank 2 tank is really dumb. maybe Germans had higher technical standards (until 1944-1945 then their steel quality became inferiour) but then again their tanks were infamous for being unpractical.

End of the day: on eastern front USSR + allies lost some 6,8 million KIA (Rossiyja i CCCP - vorozheniiji poterii v XX vek). Nazi Germany + allies lost ~ 4,4 million KIA (book: deutsche militariche verluste am Zweite Weltskrieg).

Nothing more that matters other than this, and the fact that Nazi Germany lost.

Everyone knows that no weapon existed that could take on the Pz II, let alone bigger tanks.

 

[The Masta]

 

[LemoN]

That made me LoL.

 

[Nikitn]

Oops:

end of the day: On eastern front ussr + allies lost some 6,8 million kia (rossiyja i cccp - vorozheniiji poterii v xx vek). Nazi germany + allies lost ~ 4,4 million kia on the eastern front (book: Deutsche militariche verluste am zweite weltskrieg).

forgot 2 add this

 

[The Masta]

"Deutsche Milit

 

[Nikitn]

"Deutsche Milit

 

[Bluehawk]

Gotta capitalize those nouns, buddy Jim.

 

[kapulA]

I love this thread. <3

 

[Nestor Makhno]

It's like an old mutt that follows you around even when you kick at it.

 

[KrazyKraut]

U R rite 4 real.

 

[LemoN]

U R rite 4 real.

Nao wai!

 

[NoxNoctum]

How is this thread still going strong after 4 years.

 

[LemoN]

How is this thread still going strong after 4 years.

Because trolls like you and me keep posting in it.

 

[The Masta]

Because trolls like you and me keep posting in it.

I told ya it's a trollercoaster.

 

[LemoN]

I told ya it's a trollercoaster.

Hmmm, looks like we are just starting to roll down.

 

[Nikitn]

ya don't know **** about trolling. At best you are amateur trolls/pretending 2 be a troll.

I am a troll. Do not disgrace my kind.

 

[The Masta]

ya don't know **** about trolling. At best you are amateur trolls/pretending 2 be a troll.

I am a troll. Do not disgrace my kind.

I bet you could learn a few things from nestor.

 

[Nestor Makhno]

I bet you could learn a few things from nestor.

Couldn't everybody?

 

[BlackLabel]

I learned from nestor that there where hidden raveclubs in random normandy locations...

anyways..nikitin is mister obvious troll..thus..fails miserably.

 

[dasKaRmA]

let`s keep this thread on top of the list, forever!
Maybe someone could sticky this, haha