Iron Europe

[KMURPHY]

I want a mod like this...

 

[CrazyThumbs]

they are nice... but wont let me register to th DH forumz and i had a suggestion for IE.

i would like to see what the ww1 German soldier called "girls from hell" or "angry ladies" In other words i would like to see Scots soldiers wearing kilts into battle. specificly the Gordon highlanders. my great grandfather lied about his age to join. and was later wounded in France when he was shot in the arm.

i am jus a beginner when it comes to modding. but if i were to learn and produce a suitable player model of a ww1 Scots soldier would u consider adding it?

holler at me

If we do include the Scots, we would need more than one model. Probably around 4 different variations, though they would be pretty similar to each other.
Then we would need a map for the Scots. I don't want to overload the team with too many things, but I'll discuss it with them and see what they say.

 

[Freak1]

i have a question,what nations are going to be in the mod?
and do you have any new model or something created?


i would like to see this war in a red-orchestra-type-a-game.

 

[Gamburd]

In our first release, we will include:

Imperial Germany:






United Kingdom:








Well, I was going to wait until next Friday for ANZAC Day (April 25), but since you asked, and it is only a week away now, I am happy to announce that we are also including

Australia:



Mouquet Farm, 1916





You have to understand that we had a much later start than CC, MN, and DH, and for a long time a very small team; but I am happy to report that we now have eight people working on the team.



Look here for updates in the future.


Of course, we can use more help; even if you have no computer modding skills, and would like to do background research for a map or find photos, your help would be greatly appreciated. We also can use experienced and inexperienced Modders (so, if you always wanted to learn how to mod, Iron Europe is a great place to start).
We really could also use a Coder.



We are getting ready for our big summer offensive '08, so now would be a great time to join our team.

We meet at our Forum, and communicate our ideas and post our work there, and communicate through PM and sometimes through e-mail.

So, you don't need to live near each other to work on a Mod. Wherever you are from, and if you want to help get the job done, you can join our ranks.

If anyone is interested, just PM me here on the RO Forum.



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Iron Europe: 1914-1916 (Part One)

 

[CrazyThumbs]

Don't forget about the South Africans at Delville Wood.

 

[Gamburd]

Sorry, it's kind of late and I'm a little tired and forgot.


We also have:


South Africa

 

[worluk]

hm, i dont want to put you down or sound like a smart *** :/
but unless you have a decent player modeler (or better several) and decent knowledge about rigging on board, do yourself a favour and stay with the most needed 2 playermodels. (also forgot skinners :/)

 

[EvilHobo]

I just find it funny that there is the intent to do Commonwealth troops before the French.

 

[Serpa]

i hope to help these background materials

Trenches Vids

Many many vids

Delville Wood just after the War. Photo: Michelin Guide to the Somme Battlefields

Gommecourt trench system: 1 2 3 4 5 6

Pillbox at Gommecourt

Entrances to dugouts (taken after German withdrawal 1917), Gommecourt

Trenches in Gommecourt Park

Floor design of German dugout from intelligence report submitted to Fourth Army by III Corps after trench raid, 5th June 1916, Gommecourt

Vertical design of German dugout from intelligence report submitted to Fourth Army by III Corps after trench raid, 5th June 1916, Gommecourt

Reconstructed trenches

German trench mortar

Rupt 155mm

German soldiers in their trenches near Antwerp (September 1914)

A British trench - the soldier on the right is on guard - the others are resting.

British soldiers try to keep their trench dry by pumping the water

German soldiers after rat hunting in their trenches

German storm troopers running through the barbed wire entanglement

German snipers waiting in their trench for a victim

German soldiers and horses and mules wearing gasmasks

German machine-gun section with gasmasks (Verdun, 1916)

more pics

The sector of the Somme battlefield in which the actions of the Royal Berkshire battalions took place:

Delville Wood, September 1916:

Trench system:

 

[husbert]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFhUD9Ap4G0

good antiwar film

 

[TheStranger]

I just find it funny that there is the intent to do Commonwealth troops before the French.

I was thinking the same...

 

[Lt_Kettch]

I was thinking the same...

http://www.verdun-online.com/

 

[Gamburd]

Hi Serpa; thank you very much for the information you posted! That will really help us out; especially with our Gommecourt (Somme) Map; you found some resources for Gommecourt I have not seen before.

(The Pillbox At Gommecourt link though is not working; I would really like to see that; any chance you could fix that?)

I was thinking the same...

Just so you know, we decided to work on the British and Commonwealth forces first because most of us (but not all) who are working on the project live in the English speaking world, and the majority of the research resources available at libraries and bookstores, at least in the United States, are about the British and Commonwealth Armies.

There are some books about the French, but it is much smaller compared to the amount of research material available on the web and on U.S. public library and bookstore shelves about the British and Commonwealth Armies.

That does not mean it is impossible to research them, but some of us didn't know much about the history of WWI to begin with (like myself) or haven't researched maps before, and we did not want to start out with something that might be perhaps a little bit more difficult to research.

We will try to include the French Army in a later release.

EDIT-2/15/09:

(We might someday make a possible French third installment. There is a desire in the Iron Europe Team to do exactly that.

However, that will mainly depend on whether our mod has attracted a reliable following of players who play the mod.

So, we will have to see how well the mod is accepted and also if at that future point whether the Iron Europe Team will have the human resources on the Team who are ready, able, and willing to work on that version of the mod.

So, there are some factors involved):





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[Jacko the Panda]

I have a book called "Out of nowhere" which has a nice contemporary description of the differences between the British and German trenches:

"looked like the course of a gigantic mole which had flung up uneven heaps of earth. Here and there a huge piece of corrugated iron would be flung upon the parapet ... there stood one of those steel boxes, more ore less concealed under a heap of earth. Here and there lay great piles of sandbags, black red green, striped, blue dazzling our eyes. The Germans had a splendid parapet behind which a man could move and over which he could look with comparative impunity"

while the British trenches are commented to be "unvarying as a breakwater".

I don't know how general this can be considered and it was in 1914, so it might be that these trenches were constructed in a hurry, but still I think is a nice bit of detail you can consider to implement.

 

[Gamburd]

"looked like the course of a gigantic mole which had flung up uneven heaps of earth. Here and there a huge piece of corrugated iron would be flung upon the parapet ... there stood one of those steel boxes, more or less concealed under a heap of earth. Here and there lay great piles of sandbags, black red green, striped, blue dazzling our eyes. The Germans had a splendid parapet behind which a man could move and over which he could look with comparative impunity"

Jacko, just to make sure, this is a British soldier describing the German trenches, yes?

The steel box he is referring to is perhaps a machine-gun post? I doubt he's just talking about a plain steel box.

You said this statement is from 1914; does your book say where this is exactly and what month and day around? Was it at Ypres (if so, which part of the Ypres Salient)? The Aisne River?? Any more information you can give would be great.

It sounds like he is describing the parapet which was the defenses lining the front of a trench.

Is this man saying that the Germans sandbags were black red green, stripe, and blue??


I'm interested in learning more about the statement.

The German trenches were considered the best constructed trenches.



We are including two Ypres maps in the intitial release, Langemarck and Gheluvelt, but Langemarck doesn't involve German trenches and Gheluvelt is a village map.

Really, our only actual Trench v. Trench map in our first planned six map release will be The Somme: Gommecourt and I'm not exactly sure of the details, but maybe to some extent Loos, 1915.


So, we most likely won't be able to include this in the first release, but perhaps a Mapper from the RO Community who is interested in making his own WWI Map might be interested in including this detail.

But I am interested in learning more about the statement you posted.



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[Serpa]

(The Pillbox At Gommecourt link though is not working; I would really like to see that; any chance you could fix that?)

fixed.

Pillbox at Gommecourt

what kinda pics do i searching? (weapons, maps, soldiers, ... etc)

 

[Gamburd]

Serpa, I'll send you a PM.

 

[Jacko the Panda]

Jacko, just to make sure, this is a British soldier describing the German trenches, yes?

The steel box he is referring to is perhaps a machine-gun post? I doubt he's just talking about a plain steel box.

You said this statement is from 1914; does your book say where this is exactly and what month and day around? Was it at Ypres (if so, which part of the Ypres Salient)? The Aisne River?? Any more information you can give would be great.

It sounds like he is describing the parapet which was the defenses lining the front of a trench.

Is this man saying that the Germans sandbags were black red green, stripe, and blue??


I'm interested in learning more about the statement.

The German trenches were considered the best constructed trenches.

The statement was made by Major H.V. Hesketh-Pritchard (he has written a book: "Sniping in France"). Maybe doing some research about him would reveal where he was, but I don't have time for that. There's no precise date, but the paragraph before the quote says that this was late 1914, so the early part of trench warfare I guess.

About the metal box: I think it was just a metal box. At most he could have mixed a loophole plate for a metal box.

That brings us to another thing. It would be tremendously cool if you could implement loophole plates to the trench maps. Loopsholes were thick metal plates that had an hole in the that could be opened or closed (this especially would be cool if implemented in the game), if there was to shoot or take cover. They were mostly used by snipers, but I am certain that normal soldiers had some use for them too.

 

[Gamburd]

lay great piles of sandbags, black red green, striped, blue dazzling our eyes.

OK, but I'm just kind of puzzled by these chromatic German sandbags, if that is what he is talking about and referring to(?).




Amazingly, in an Osprey book I own, they have a few paragraphs about the man you mentioned.


Major Hesketh Vernon Hesketh-Pritchard was a big game hunter and former Hampshire County cricketer who was first turned down by the army because of his age, but eventually made it to the front as a war correspondent escort in 1915 (he could have been there earlier doing something else).

It says he actually used scoped sporting rifles, and said to other soldiers "to shoot but not be shot."

It mentions the loophole plates and said he'd fire at them with elephant guns.

He became a sniping officer to the 4th Division, and came up with the idea to set up sniping schools and lobbied the British Army, which did establish them.

I think in your quote (my book doesn't contain your quote) he's (since he was a sniper) probably talking about these metal loophole plates; I don't think they're ammo boxes.




I recommend my book to anyone who's interested in WWI. It doesn't focus on the history of the war per se, but more on the nature of the armies, equipment, weapons, and training provided (or lack there of) for the Germans, French, British, and American soldiers:

Dr. Gary Sheffield, War On The Western Front: In The Trenches Of World War I, Osprey Publishing Ltd., 2007 U.S: $24.95 / CAN $32.00

This is an actual hardbound book, not a booklet which many of the Osprey titles are; it is essentially a "best of" their WWI titles, and thus will save you a lot of money than if you had to pay for them individually.


I think in one of the RO Maps, "JD10," contains metal plates with loopholes, but no shutters. I'll pass your idea on to the Iron Europe modellers.

 

[Jacko the Panda]

OK, but I'm just kind of puzzled by these chromatic German sandbags, if that is what he is talking about and referring to(?).

I think that the german sandbags came in a variety of colours, which actually is quite logical if you think about it. The large variety of colours confuses the eye and makes it harder to spot the odd one out (in this case a German soldier peeking over the parapet).