Intentional team kill situations

[Terviz]

Hello!

I wanted to ask about whether you guys have run into situation where you have intentionally killed a team mate "for the greater good".

I'm not talking about griefing team mates out of spite or because they are acting like idiots but more about tactical situations.

I personally have run into a couple of situations where I think an intentional team kill might have been the correct choice:

Scenario #1

I was defending as Axis on Commissar's house and the Soviets had taken Commissar's house north. I was "camping" with my MG on the basement leading from Commissar's house north to south and keeping the enemy from advanding. Suddenly a team mate decides to come up and block my whole firing solution with his bolt / semi rifle while a whole pack of enemies was crawling in the tunnel. I didn't dare to fire at his back which resulted in both of use getting killed and the Soviets capturing the Commissar's house south afterwards.

In retrospect, I think I should have brought also my team mate down for the greater good since I think I might have prevented the enemy's advance at least for a moment.

Scenario #2

I was attacking as Axis on Pavlov's house in the Pavlov's housing block 1 once again with my MG. This time I ran into a small corridor with three Soviet players in a neat line. I proceeded to clear the hallway hipfiring and brought all the enemies down. From my perspective I think the Soviets could have killed me had it not been that they were in a pretty much neat line which meant that the two guys would have needed to TK their team mate in order to bring me down. I'm not sure whether this was the reason that I managed to kill all of them but somehow I felt they were holding back for the fear of team killing their team mate.

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Have you guys run into similar situations where you have intentionally killed a team mate for the good of the team in a tactical situation like this? Or where you perhaps should have done so?

Also, how do you guys feel in general about these kind of "tactical" team kills?

 

[Murphy]

In my opinion, if a so-called "tactical teamkill" is the "solution" to a problem that can be solved by saying "could you step aside, please" with your microphone it's not a "tactical teamkill" but a dick move.

 

[Krobar]

Scenario 1: There are several ways to communicate in RO2, just ask him to move, or tell him to move or he'll end up like Swiss cheese.

Scenario 2: If they wan't to shoot through 1 comrade to save the life of other comrades, I'm pretty sure comrade Stalin would approve.

 

[Terviz]

Ehh, sort of though about the scenario #1 that I should have pointed out that the situation arose pretty fast. Ie. there wasn't really a time to tell the guy to step aside before we both were already dead and at that time I didn't have VOIP capabilities which is of course my fault. This is partly why I didn't go for the TK that time.

 

[Sufyan]

On #1: While it may seem logical to kill the enemy through your team mate, it is an insane logic. If I'm in danger and unable to defend myself because of unwitting team mates, I run away. That is my solution to almost every unfavourable situation in any game. When the odds stack against me or I am disoriented I run for safety. If I see an enemy aiming at me and I am not in a position to kill him immediately I focus entirely on getting out of his sights before I do anything else.

On #2: While I don't know the exact situation, I think they did the right thing. What if the first guy was in fact lining up a shot, but he gets teamkilled by one of his mates behind him? That would also likely get them all killed. Trusting the man with the unobstructed view to deal with the problem was the safest bet. It didn't work and they all died, but at least they didn't die dishonorably.

 

[Stahlhelmii]

Not just lmg'ers ... morons planting themselves in front of your face because "all kills must be theirs" is a problem for just about everybody. If I'm not in imminent danger, I type a warning and give them a few seconds before blasting them. If I'm in a firefight when some ignoramus does this, I shoot the bastard. It's not as if he doesn't deserve it, and I'm not moving because some bunghole decides that he's taking over my position.

These are passive-aggressive, virtual-world bully types. They bank on 90% of players not wanting a tk on their record, so they figure they can push people around and stand in someone's face "if that's where the kills are" at that moment. Screw 'em, they're better off dead.

 

[The Beast (nl)]

Yesterday i had also such a situation as example 1.

 

[Terviz]

Yesterday i had also such a situation as example 1.

May I ask how you handled the situation?

Sufyan, I think you make valid points. I most likely should have took cover in situation one but I thought I might have been able to pin them down once the guy in front of me got killed but I died instantly after that.

Though if I had took cover, I most likely would not have been able to contain the situation since there were so many russians coming.

Also in the first scenario I'm pretty sure the guy who ran infront of me probably didn't see me since I was a bit further back. I shot a short burst past him just before we died to try to signal him that he was blocking the way but clearly that wasn't enough / fast enough. Also as pointed, I might have managed to quickly notify him through VOIP as well had I the equipment at that moment to do so but that was a mistake on my part. Of course that wouldn't neccesarily have had any effect but it would have been a choice.

In general I didn't really want to draw that much attention to these particular examples as such but more general view of other players on the matter.

Thank you all for your comments.

 

[CuriousOrange]

Not just lmg'ers ... morons planting themselves in front of your face because "all kills must be theirs" is a problem for just about everybody. If I'm not in imminent danger, I type a warning and give them a few seconds before blasting them. If I'm in a firefight when some ignoramus does this, I shoot the bastard. It's not as if he doesn't deserve it, and I'm not moving because some bunghole decides that he's taking over my position.

These are passive-aggressive, virtual-world bully types. They bank on 90% of players not wanting a tk on their record, so they figure they can push people around and stand in someone's face "if that's where the kills are" at that moment. Screw 'em, they're better off dead.

Or, far more likely they just walked in front of you without realising. It accounts for 99% of the times someone steps in front of you.

 

[k9mike]

"The needs of the many..out weigh the needs of the few, or the ONE"...
Sorry, couldn't help myself ....but so true...besides, its just a game. No one In real life would take pleasure/want to kill a fellow soldier....but sometimes it happens.

 

[Karnatakapunk]

today, i systematicaly Team Killed a commander on my favourite CD server (BROTHERS) on propouse, because he not only didnt made reenforcements, and was a Hero level 99, in witch it made me put my frutation in the kill of my own commander =/

 

[Stahlhelmii]

today, i systematicaly Team Killed a commander on my favourite CD server (BROTHERS) on propouse, because he not only didnt made reenforcements, and was a Hero level 99, in witch it made me put my frutation in the kill of my own commande

 

[Vesper11]

As machine gunner I always shot through my teammates if there's enemy lookimg at me behind them, because its always machine gunner they try to kill first. And btw didnt I #ay I'm a freaking machine gunner? I shoot lots of bullets on a fixed position! So if someone stands in front of me it means they were asking for it.

 

[Justin MacDuro]

Scenario 1 ... In that kind of situation I always use to shot , I trie to not to kill the teammate , but if he dies I don't care because is his fault ... it's the same when you with your MG or sniper in a good place and a0rives a guy with his bolt or smg to position at your place or jst placing at your side making the position more visible to the enemie ...

Scenario 2 ... Soviets did a big mistake not shooting ...

 

[Wrafe]

If a team mate jumps in front of another team mate that is obviously covering that spot already, then yes, he deserves to die; regardless of enemies!

We thank this team mate for supporting RO2, but this team mate's brain is far too underdeveloped for this game.

 

[flavin420]

Im on the fence about this since i hate tkin since i play try and play this game realistically, and i would rather die myself than kill my brother in arms. Then again, whos freakin watching my back

 

[Justin MacDuro]

Im on the fence about this since i hate tkin since i play try and play this game realistically, and i would rather die myself than kill my brother in arms. Then again, whos freakin watching my back

Totally false ... just read a little about how veteran soldiers use to act with new recruits and reemplacements ... they did no care too much about new recruits , specially if They were cting like stupids putting in danger the life of the rest .

Not all the soldiers on your side are fellow comrades or friendlys ...

 

[AmazingMilto]

Scenario 1: There are several ways to communicate in RO2, just ask him to move, or tell him to move or he'll end up like Swiss cheese.

Scenario 2: If they wan't to shoot through 1 comrade to save the life of other comrades, I'm pretty sure comrade Stalin would approve.

Saving lives of Comrades? nyet!

...Saving the vodka? DA!

 

[RojaNNation]

Not just lmg'ers ... morons planting themselves in front of your face because "all kills must be theirs" is a problem for just about everybody.

I've respected a lot of your comments about historical accuracy and such, in the past. This comment is complete idiocy though, stereotyping LMG'ers as such is really, really dumb. I support my team exceedingly well and always respond when people ask for an MG somewhere. I can also vouch that another individual in this forum can abruptly disagree with you as well. Please keep the stereotypical stupid comments to a minimum.

 

[Josef Nader]

Would you shoot the guy in front of you IRL because he was blocking your shot?

No? Good, don't do it here.
Yes? See a psychiatrist.