I see that you know what you are talking about on the range because I've been there a couple of times and it is so hard to hit static targets whilst standing at 100m. RO: Ost modelled this very well. With RO:HoS it's so easy to shoot people behind cover (with their helmet sticking out) at 100m+. And for those who think that the "shift-zoom" is realistic, go see the original photo on the forums depicting park east, centre and west. You can barely see anyone on the otherside of the park let alone place a bullet accurately on his head.
Important: Way too accurate aim for every soldier!
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I see that you know what you are talking about on the range because I've been there a couple of times and it is so hard to hit static targets whilst standing at 100m. RO: Ost modelled this very well. With RO:HoS it's so easy to shoot people behind cover (with their helmet sticking out) at 100m+. And for those who think that the "shift-zoom" is realistic, go see the original photo on the forums depicting park east, centre and west. You can barely see anyone on the otherside of the park let alone place a bullet accurately on his head.
+1, it would feel much more authentic if there were raging firefights across maps instead of everyone sitting there and killing their enemy with one shot. I think that there should be drastically more weapon sway, which can be reduced by going prone or mounting your weapon on cover, it'll make the first person cover more usable (right now you die as soon as you pop your head out) because your life expectancy will go up due to everyone having less accuracy.
there were? all I remember was sitting on a ledge somewhere near the seigssaule clicking and watching a pixel 100m away disappear :|. Ironically, I got better with the bolters (in ostfront) when I brought my cod sniper skills (both point-and click and quickscoping) over and started gunning down people in the street
There is no such thing a quick scoping it is aim assist.
'Cus on console you cant aim quite well.
And stop mentioning cod, obviously you never played a ro game 'cus you where busy playing cod
They need to add some more sway after a sprint and when in ironshights for a some time.
Now it is just people-who-do-not-know-how-to-play-infested game.
It is annoying.
And we will see some bigger maps, would be a different expierence.
All the others are too small for some decent gameplay.
maybe fallenfighters not.
but with the unlocks (mkb etc)
Well it is a bit screwed up.
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Truth be told, I don't even who's stupid idea it was to make shooting so accurate and arcade-style. With all due respect Tripwire, what's up with this game? you need to make serious changes to game play now before the game loses more than half it's community for being a combination of a great idea with a completely broken and frustrating game play.
I don't know how the calculations on the ballistics were done so i will assume some things. =/
If using only the mathematical approach without external influences (very taxing CPU-wise to do it on a game like RO) then yes, the bullets should always go where the barrel is pointing and i think thats why the shots are so damn accurate.
The thing i think TWI must do to get more autenticity then is get the game weapons (preferably more than one of each) to test on the field, see the groupings they make and try to somewhat replicate it on the code.
As for the sway i think it is fine right now when you have full stamina, but it should get harsher than it is now when you have low stamina.
And if staying in aiming position for longer than a set time unsupported it should start to drain your stamina slowly too.
If using only the mathematical approach without external influences (very taxing CPU-wise to do it on a game like RO) then yes, the bullets should always go where the barrel is pointing and i think thats why the shots are so damn accurate.
The thing i think TWI must do to get more autenticity then is get the game weapons (preferably more than one of each) to test on the field, see the groupings they make and try to somewhat replicate it on the code.
As for the sway i think it is fine right now when you have full stamina, but it should get harsher than it is now when you have low stamina.
And if staying in aiming position for longer than a set time unsupported it should start to drain your stamina slowly too.
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How can you possibly say the sway is fine now, when there's basically no sway at all? Are you kidding? seriously, I wish our soldiers in real life could hit every enemy they see by just aiming at him. wow. this is such BS. fire fights evolve and exist only 'thanks' to the fact that you simply can't always kill your enemy the moment you see him by just being fast. So both sides keep suppressing each other with fire until either you get a lucky shot or changing positions and shoot controlled bursts or you let a squad or a small force flank the opponent and kill him, or have a sniper in a tactical position. that is the whole idea and 'art' of war, Strategy and Tactics! RO2 right now is merely fast trigger, knowing the best places to camp and luck. So if RO2 is nothing like war, then what the hell did I pay 40$ for?
There is sway, just test it dammit.
Looks like you don't want sway but frigggin parkinson.
IRL you cant kill your enemy the moment you see him because when you bring up the sights its not automatically perfectly aligned like in the game.
I think the solution to this in addition of my previous post is when you use iron sights it comes not always on the center of the screen... the game already have a small "free aim" into iron sights mode so why not doing this?
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My biggest problem with this suggestion is that it would take the skill and turn it into a roll-the-dice situation. One person could spot a Rifleman aiming at him, the Rifleman fires, but the shot missed. This person fires back and scores a hit. This is not at all fair to the Rifleman, who should have gotten that kill.
I think if testing data is used, the guns will largely function the same way but with an acceptable deviation more on par with the reality.
A target that would be a 100% hit in real life will be 100% hit on the game, but if in real life you cant assure you will hit him, why in the game you can just do it again and again and again easily?
Many games that have skilled players do have roll the dice situations, one example is Counter Strike and every game with cone of fire weapons. I'm not asking for cone of fire on RO2 just to make things clear.
Well, whether you agree or not, I was promised a realistic war game, and I got a combination of ARMA2 relatively large maps with a camping only gameplay and firefights that last aprox. 5 seconds the first time you rush the map, and later on it's no longer than 1 sec. No exchanges of shooting, no suppressing fire, just picking off enemy soldiers with a ****ed up extremely accurate WW2 weapon ballistic system from a window until someone else picks you off from some window on the opposite side. Fantastic.
Join a server with me sometime and I'll show you firefights and attacking.
There will be a period where people won't attack because they're learning the game mechanics and the maps - it's imposing, especially a map like FallenFighters, and particularly if you have people who have been playing RO long term around with a significant skill advantage, you're not going to run out, die, rinse & repeat.
And you were promised
It was made clear early in development that they were aiming to make the game more approachable to the mainstream - so it was never going to be as harsh and unforgiving as RO:Ost could be, or as clumsily realistic as ARMA.
I would really like to see a video of you guys consistently hitting 100m+ targets while standing up and unsupported.
Skill will remain, problem is guys here believe that the word 'skill' means how well do you aim. That's the point, in a war game, skills are ones used in war, which is tactics, strategy, team work and shooting skill.
The game's core won't be changed, obviously, 1. It's too late; and 2. We brought the game for what it is, but changing the shooting mechanics is crucial in my opinion. (obviously if you do have your sights exactly on an enemy and shoot from a 100m he should be hit, but it should be much more difficult to aim precisely at someone, it should be about reflex and actual skill, to know when to take the shot, rather than simply aiming at your target and pressing LMB, knowing for sure that he's dead.)
The game's core won't be changed, obviously, 1. It's too late; and 2. We brought the game for what it is, but changing the shooting mechanics is crucial in my opinion. (obviously if you do have your sights exactly on an enemy and shoot from a 100m he should be hit, but it should be much more difficult to aim precisely at someone, it should be about reflex and actual skill, to know when to take the shot, rather than simply aiming at your target and pressing LMB, knowing for sure that he's dead.)
That's exactly the point, even when you are supported, you can be picked off by an assault rifle infantry from 200 meters away, even though your standing on the 3rd floor and he's down there somewhere, unlike reality, when there's a good chance he'll miss and you'll see bullets hit around you and get an adrenalin boost and prone as fast as you can to save your life: a cool and realistic scene, that happened to me only once since I started playing the game. The rest of the times, I was just his straight in the head or torso and died momentarily without any chance of giving my team supporting fire or hoping they'll miss.
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