Idea: centralized ban list - created, run, and maintained by server ops

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rallfo

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If done ethically and with proper controls a system of exchanging bans will allow server admins to keep out the tiny percentage point of miserable souls whose presence simply spoils it for everyone else.

This will improve the gameplay experience for all legitimate players and therefore drive the popularity of the game. The only people that will be disadvantaged are those who have given up the right to play on privately run servers through their actions.

Good, fair and effective administration/moderating is the hallmark of a thriving gaming community and will actually INCREASE KF's popularity and global player numbers for this reason, contrary to what you said.

For instance that is how things are done on my server which has less than 20 permanent bans or <0.01% of the player base and not through negligence.

HOWEVER:
If server owners decide to ban everyone with ginger hair they are ultimately far within their rights. Nobody apart from the owner has any inherent right whatsoever to play somewhere, it is a free privilege granted through the owner's generosity.

To the "I didn't pay $20 to be banned" crowd: you forget that you have bought a game not the right to play on any server anywhere (unless Tripwire themselves run some) and furthermore since not a sniff of a cent of your money went towards server owners' costs this line generally serves to just piss them off, and rightly so. ;)
 
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Aerowinder

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The UTAN site is still not loading for me. Is it a web-based system, or a piece of software? Either way, I would think that you could change a few pieces of code and have it work. As long as I can't connect to that site, I can't tell if I would be capable of making it work for us. I can't even tell if it's copyrighted.

I also believe the text file idea can work, until (if) a better system is put into place.

BannedIDs=XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Racism
BannedIDs=XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX TKer
BannedIDs=XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Glitcher

It would be slow to add people if you are cherry picking people banned for racism. It definitely lacks the speed of automation. Also, all previous bans would have to be classified. Too much work if you have a lot of bans. But you would run into the same issue with putting them all into a new system. I guess my viewpoint is that maybe it's not an ideal solution, but it's better than nothing.
 
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ANTHEM

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Jul 3, 2009
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Bad idea. No offense to you, whoever made the thread (don't want to look back...) but this is too easily abused, exampled by Mr. Gusone.

Though I don't think it's necessary to bring this whole deal up again, my case is an example of being on a server full of, as Gus puts it, 'real-life mates' and getting, essentially, griefed in that server to the point where a complaint is taken as a reason to be added to a banlist that will be spread around to as many servers as will take it. It's ridiculous.
 

drakioned

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I don't necessarily think it's a bad idea to share a syndicated ban list.

I think one benefit that people have missed here is keep out the serverless clans that hijack a server and votekick everyone off.
 

Tendency

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Theres always a group of admins trying to ban players across as many servers as possible. I would never us another persons banlist, just because someone was banned from "your" server doesnt mean the person should be banned on mine. What they do to me?
I find kicking does the trick. Both for me and the player. I have no bans to share anyway. I did ban 2-3 people but lifted them once i was sober. I kicked a few for spamming voice chat , being a nuisance or running in front of me 10 freakin times as im throwing grenades or using the launcher. Which ends up with me dead and the player moving to the next unsuspecting teammate to repeat the madness.

But maybe they were drunk to...lol
 
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HaTeMe

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Currently I have no bans on my own server, but then again its been online only for a month now. I have kicked hell of a lot of people tho, usually just because they were noobs. Dont get me wrong tho, If I see a level 1-3 joining my server I will give them a chance of proving their skills, but if they die on the FIRST wave before killing anything I will kick them -_-. I dont want these idiots the ruin the game for everyone just because they cant tell difference beetween beginner and suicidal.

However, I never ban anyone for being a noob unless they steal, block or otherwise behave badly. I dont know why some people think blocking the trader is a good tactic of getting money from other players :S, Ive seen it a lot recently. New player joins in, starts spamming "I need money" and then goes standing in front of the trader door waiting for someone to give him money or he doesnt move -_-. I wouldnt mind if these kind of people get a global ban.
 

HaTeMe

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There is a mutator to keep players from blocking the trader.

Oh really. I have it on my server, altho it fails to work atm. Im planning to fix it at some point but Ive been too busy with work and all.

I was more like talking about the random public servers which have no anti-block mutator, might have been misleading tho because I mentioned my own server in the beginning.
 

Ihmhi

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Jul 7, 2009
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Steambans is a similar system employed on Source engine games, and it requires a demo to be reviewed by three independent reviewers - along with an explanation of the ban - before it will be added to the list. Many get rejected.

Even with similar controls, though, I think most server ops prefer to run their own little shops without any outside help. What is banworthy on one server is not necessarily banworthy on another.
 

Bio666

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it requires a demo to be reviewed by three independent reviewers - along with an explanation of the ban - before it will be added to the list. Many get rejected.

Woa, that IS the worst idea, ever.

1. Why "a" demo but not "3" demos. ppl have bad day. It's human nature.

2. Why bother going through so much hassle just to ban someone who, sooner or later, will be banned by admin anyway? It's not likely that you pay money for a dedicate sv and never jump in your own sv.
 

Ihmhi

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Woa, that IS the worst idea, ever.

1. Why "a" demo but not "3" demos. ppl have bad day. It's human nature.

One demo is reviewed by three independent people. Steambans is typically used to detect cheaters and not so much things like people being racist etc.

2. Why bother going through so much hassle just to ban someone who, sooner or later, will be banned by admin anyway? It's not likely that you pay money for a dedicate sv and never jump in your own sv.

Because that's what's fair and while many admins like myself wouldn't ever use a system like Steambans there are many who do and appreciate it.
 

CandleJack

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The most important thing right now is to have as many players as possible. Nobody joins 2/6 servers, only 4/6 or 5/6.

I see people all the time (including myself :)) who are very courteous KF players - we give away all of our money to a newcomer, we let people through before welding, we run out and rescue them with heals, we cover their backs and aggro scrakes/FPs to save them, and we let the commandos kill stalkers - but we're "unedited" in chat.

In fact, people do join 2/6 servers.

I am one of those people. I usually only play 4/6 or 5/6 servers when there is no lower pop. servers.

I am also a very courteous player. i'll shell out all my cash (after i repair/reload) to someone who died or just joined. Or even if they just ask for it. I usually play Medic as my second choice (first being my L6 Sharpie) so running out and healing doesn't typically apply.

Today my friend went medic and i went zerker, and i got bitter irony because he covered me and killed crawlers. I covered him with my chainsaw and we pretty much just stuck to ourselves.

So basically i will stick just with my friends, if they're in a game with me, otherwise i am your best friend; bringing the heals.

Or dominating the kills with my leet HC skills.
And busting a bolt on scrakes and FPs.

So yeah, people are courteous.