How would you feel about removing unlocks and character upgrades?

[Echo Black]

I don't mean getting rid of personal stat tracking, that's a fun thing to have. But stuff like the % reductions in weapon sway, reload speed, stamina expenditure...I feel these are awful decisions for the kind of gameplay in RO2. To me it's completely at odds with the "feel" you get from the rest of the game. Not even COD has these kinds of permanent mechanical upgrades!

Unlocks would be a little tougher to argue against, especially in light of the fact some people paid more for the DDE just so they could have unlockable weapons on day 1, but I still feel they're silly. The game more than stands on its own gameplay, it doesn't need carrots-in-a-stick to keep people playing. I guess since player progression worked so well in Killing Floor, TWI felt every next game of theirs would benefit from having it. You don't need to scrap the unlockable stuff (scopes for some of the weapons, bayonets, etc.), just have another system in place, or have the player straight up be able to select their loadout.

Thoughts? I'd say the chances of TWI even considering this are pretty slim, they're understandable stubborn about their vision for RO2 (I'd be too), but maybe if enough people voiced their opinions...I don't know how feasible having a server without these things is, but for example, we only have two servers in my country right now, and they're obviously shooting to become ranked. So they don't go too wild with the server settings. I don't even know if you can lock players out of their character progression upgrades server-side...

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[luciferintears]

i would buy 100 copies of this game just to show my appreciation

 

[Nenjin]

They're fine to me. The last thing TWI should do is listen to armchair developers tell them to gut half their game.

 

[Kipper]

I'd be ecstatic if they removed all that nonsense.

 

[Yellonet]

It would be a big step in the right direction.

 

[Falkenhorst]

It would have no effect on me. I play RO for the gameplay.
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[Jamer]

I'd be ecstatic if they removed all that nonsense.

Yep I agree, I've said it before, while some people have actually good arguments why unlocks work and are good, they simply don't belong in this game. Huge disappointment.

 

[Derpus]

I don't want them to remove them, I just want them to give options to select or de-select unlocked upgrades.

 

[stayBlind]

I'd like to see the removal of the features you mentioned as a server-side option.

 

[CPN]

They're fine to me. The last thing TWI should do is listen to armchair developers tell them to gut half their game.

Can you describe this half of the game a little more clearly -- which half is it

because in the game I'm playing, unlocks and stat progression are really not even remotely approaching half the game.

 

[Snuffeldjuret]

I wouldn't mind scrapping the player progression system and to keep the unlocks that makes sense as default stuff ^^.

 

[SunKing]

Let's just cut to the chase. Remake RO1 in the new engine, include all the stuff you weren't able to do in the old game. Epic gaming for everyone.

 

[jalex3]

server settings, server settings, server settings.

 

[Depulsor]

I wouldn't mind if they took the player progression out of the game , but I'd like them to keep the honor level, keeping it ingame but having no effect , so you can show everyone your e-pene

 

[Nenjin]

The nice thing about Tripwire is they're willing to let people tweak the game settings to the degree they desire.

It's when people suggest that they should throw away 6 months of work, and that NO ONE should be able to enjoy it, is where I get annoyed. If they want their bland servers with no mechanics, that's cool. That doesn't mean it should simply be taken out of the game for everyone.

 

[Clowndoe]

I would rather they be faster on the server options, which I hear aren't fully released yet. Then it wouldn't be a problem.

 

[Echo Black]

The nice thing about Tripwire is they're willing to let people tweak the game settings to the degree they desire.

To the best of my knowledge you can't turn off character progression for your server. Reductions in weapon sway, stamina expenditure, etc., after unlocked, seem to apply in any server.

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[Nenjin]

Mutators, mutators, and mutators. It was the same story in KF. Some people acted like a level up and unlock scheme were the 2nd and 3rd plagues, because "Oh, original Killing Floor didn't have it. I hate it!"

Those people are now rarely heard from.

These things aren't impossible or forbidden, they just take time to develop. And when they have a game to fix, setting up special settings for a minority of players isn't their first priority.

 

[skewp]

Have you seen the series Band of Brothers? This upgrade system is completely logical to me. You know the episode when all the raw recruits arrive to reinforce Easy in Bastogne? The veterans look all dirty, worn out and battle hardened. They are now completely one with their weapons, have figured out every little trick which improves their combat effectivness, have become ruthless and deadly accurate killers. This is all perfectly easy to connect with RO2 honor system. As you play, your character sees more and more combat, his honor is growing and he is gradually becoming exactly the soldier I described a few lines above.

To me, this is just awesome.

 

[Gaizokubanou]

I like the character progression as long as it's not absurdly huge.

But I don't know when gun level caps at so it may get absurdly huge. By level 40 with a particular gun you will be approximately 20% better with it, and that's borderline broken (if not completely broken) so if gun level cap is like 50+ I wouldn't mind seeing it toned down a bit.