I will play with people or bots......bots dont really bother me if they are in the game....as i said in another thread, i would rather play with bots if i have to listen to constant whining......
How/What do you feel about TWI and RO2
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I will play with people or bots......bots dont really bother me if they are in the game....as i said in another thread, i would rather play with bots if i have to listen to constant whining......
Mmmm you check in looking for something you want and if its not there you insult the providers..
I bet your fun to shop with..
But if the shop promises me they will have in what i need, and that i should check in to see when it becomes available and i go to the shop once a week for six months and everytime i go there, they tell me it will be next week....then i start to get pissed.
Seriously over 6 months and the game still hasnt had any of the major updates promised to get it working as it should be.
Maps, vehicles, modes of play, bug fixes, optimization.
It is quite obvious it is simply not worth TWI spending much money on resourses to develop the game further because it is not going to get them any more money, as it would be like flogging a dead horse.
I dont mind that....if it is a business financial decision that they simply cant warrant spending money on programming etc.. to fix up a game that is not performing, i can live with that if they tell me, i dont expect someone to lose money.
But dont piss on our heads and tell us it is raining, by promising the game patches etc.. but not working on them and dragging them out.
If they say....
"look we dont want to spend to much money repairing the game because it is not fiscally sound, but when we get time we will....the game will probably take about a year to get to how it was advertised"
then i would accept that and come back in 12 months....because honesty is the best policy.
The truth will set you free TWI. Tell it as it is and we can all get on with our gaming lives.
Were that true they would not waste their time on Classic and the Rising Storm. I am not sure how you came to such conclussion, but it's not quite obvious to me. I think it's bitterness speaking through you which is understandable - as I was losing hope before downloading, playing and witnessing changes in Classic Beta - but even this doesn't justify your argument.Don Draper said:
If you really wish to see whats coming then donwload the beta and give it a try...Getting p***ed about the game will not help your perception of TWI's support or why it is the way it is..
Have you actually played RO2 recently?
Most of the bugs are fixed and game optimization has been very much improved..
New content has been announced and some of it is already being tested in the beta..Again go try it yourself.
How long have you been playing TWI games?
TWI have a reputation for supporting their games over years not months.
I don't know of any TWI game that was not patched and improved and eventually had free content added..
TWI are not EA, they have a total staff of appx 30 people not 30,000.
That means things take a little longer..They are not dragging things out just to annoy you or any other customer..They are a small company hence the increase in patch times.
It is not a conspiracy to defraud anyone..on the contrary they seem to be genuinely trying to provide a better product in my opinion.
And again I would urge people to go test the beta..Give your feedback and be a part of the process to improve the game rather than sit passively by and then complain about it later..
I'm fairly disappointed, but I'll give RO2 another chance when the beta is finished and the changes are applied to the final game. The lack of custom maps and players playing the game were probably the biggest dissapointments. If RO2 still isn't up to snuff, I'll just wait for Rising Storm and In Country. TWI made a lot of mistakes, but they are trying hard to fix the problems which it what counts.
I have the beta, i am not interested in playing the beta because it is a beta.
Also the whole fundamentals of the game have been torn out from underneath it in the new classic mode which is a huge piece of crap.
All because people who loved RO1 so much pestered the hell out of TWI to change it.
The people who conceptualised RO2 did not want to make it like RO1...but they bowed to pressure from a small minded community of R02 Bigots.
I played after the last big patch which was after the 10th of january.
Yoshiro started his weekly updates which appear to have stopped? not sure.. they are not in the main forum liked they used to be.
He was mentioning the next big patch...the big fix which would be like 4 gig or similar....sounded like it was going to be soon.
over 3 months since then and this large patch has not come... and i am waiting for a pacth that will change the game i thought i bought RO2...into a glorified RO1.
Remember it is over 6 months since intial release and we still have not got all the promised features from release.
Game was a commercial release, this is no indie game, they have a corporate responsiablity to get it working properly in a reasonable time.
6 months later you are pleading with me to play a beta version to show me how good the game will be?? I bought it over 6 months ago.
I played alot of RO1 and enjoyed it, was a great game.
do not have there killing floor. but from all reports seems to be good.
RO2 was a commercial release, magazine advertising marketing the whole lot.
If you release a game you have responsibility to get working what you advertised with in a reasonable time.
It most likely should not have been released so early, but they knew what condition they where releasing the game in, and just abused the privaledge of having a existing player base.
6 months though dude for a commercial release of a game before it is ready as advertised. Staff numbers have nothing to do with it.
The reason it is taking so long is becase they dont want to spend the money on repairing it. They lose money when new players are not turning up, yet the pay staff to work on it. They are only doing the bare minumum they can get away with or time they can allow staff to work on it.
If the game was a hit it would be fixed by now.
I never said it was, im saying it is a reality that in buisness, people fruck up and it is not worth throwing good money after bad.
So spending money on programmers and artisit to fix up a game that looks unlikely generate any new income for the buisness is just not tenable.
And again I would urge people to go test the beta..Give your feedback and be a part of the process to improve the game rather than sit passively by and then complain about it later..
Yeh get involved, put your input on a testing beta stage of the game for 3 months (while you should be playing the real deal) give TWI your thoughts...you feel involved. But they are not willing to spend money to implement any of the stuff you sugested because it would be finacial suicide.
Hopefully you an just play beta for the next 3 months.
I see why Beta servers aren't full then. It's a good thing there are those who are willing to play Beta to make it good for all those who are waiting for it to be released, otherwise it'd be bad because of lack of support from the player...Don Draper said:
You're not interested in playing it, but you know that it is "a huge piece of crap"? It's almost like saying "I've waited long for true sequel of RO:Ost, but I won't play Beta!" or "I will say plenty of bad things about RO2 and what I think should be changed, but I won't play Beta"...Don Draper said:
Why then they develop the game? To cure their boredom?Don Draper said:
Why are you even here? Wouldn't it be best for all parties involved if you'll simply move on, as you think the game is already abandoned? Again, basing your statement on what? The fact that you don't care for Classic that is being made? What does it tell about YOU? That TWI should release new content because that's what you care for, disregarding Classic that YET ANOTHER PART OF THE COMMUNITY waits for? I am not sure if you understand, but there are various groups in the community and all of them demands attention from the TWI. It's not an easy task.
Probably development of Classic and Action Modes is just another proof of "not willing to spend money to implement any of the stuff". In the end of the day all complainers are still here, on this very forum of the game that has been sold and is so bad they can't even stand thinking about it... It'd be amusing if it weren't so illogical.
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Yeah like how the thousands of players that pre-ordered the game and actively played the first beta made it so good.
So good that the game had to go into another beta.
It was said on the forums - in many posts, by people contesting RO2's state - that it were the players who wanted TWI to rush with the release of the game. Now TWI is being criticized for this move on and on. Of course, TWI can be blamed for quite a number of bad decisions and actions that took place during and after the release. I am not against putting the blame, but this must be putted honestly, to those who deserve it. It's only just.pixelbaron said:
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That's funny because I was regularly reading the forums when the game was in beta and I recall there being several polls and threads discussing whether the game was ready to be released. I also recall a lot of people in this community asking Tripwire to hold off on releasing the game, and to spend several more weeks to months polishing it.
Here's a thread, according to that poll 428 people in the community were for delaying the release against 282 that thought it should just be released.
Here's another thread, according to that poll 135 people in the community were for delaying the release against 74 that thought it should just be released.
Yet another thread, according to that poll 91 people in the community wouldn't mind a delay against 36 who would mind.
In other communities there was discussion and support of Tripwire delaying the game to polish it as well, but that's not as measurable.
So, where exactly are you getting the idea that people wanted the game pushed out quickly? Seems like a pretty hotly debated subject and one that garnered quite a few threads and discussions because people were rightly worried about the state of the game they were playing. But hey what do those people know they only made up 0.01% right? Now most of the "negative nancies" in those threads above are gone, along with people that weren't as conerned. But NOW you want people to come back and test the game? Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice...
Here's a thread, according to that poll 428 people in the community were for delaying the release against 282 that thought it should just be released.
Here's another thread, according to that poll 135 people in the community were for delaying the release against 74 that thought it should just be released.
Yet another thread, according to that poll 91 people in the community wouldn't mind a delay against 36 who would mind.
In other communities there was discussion and support of Tripwire delaying the game to polish it as well, but that's not as measurable.
So, where exactly are you getting the idea that people wanted the game pushed out quickly? Seems like a pretty hotly debated subject and one that garnered quite a few threads and discussions because people were rightly worried about the state of the game they were playing. But hey what do those people know they only made up 0.01% right? Now most of the "negative nancies" in those threads above are gone, along with people that weren't as conerned. But NOW you want people to come back and test the game? Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice...
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Indeed.pixelbaron said:
My point is that part of the community wanted to delay the game, despite it bugged state. Other part was willing to wait for the bug to be fixed. Both knew what state of the game was as they were playing beta. It's no different now with various groups who want different things, that are in progress, to be done in the first place.
I think it's why Classic will be released when it'll be done, because there are still some bugs waiting to be fixed. While I don't mind them the others might. However, all that you said - while true - doesn't change that someone has to participate in beta to make it better. Only problem with previous beta was that it was skipped before everything (or most) was fixed and the voices of the people weren't as listened to as they are now.
I am playing Beta, quite often in fact (far more often since this mode has been released for us to playtest), and I can say that all changes are going in a good direction.
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You gotta be kidding. Do you really think that the game was released early because "the community wanted TWI to rush the release"? What stuff are you on?
1. The community was constantly supporting the idea that the game should only be released "when it's done".
2. If TWI would've really been so foolish to release the game in the state in which it was release, because "the community demanded it", than, as a company they wouldn't have deserved any better.
The reason why TWI released the game at the point they did, must've been either money or to avoid the upcoming releases of BF and CoD. Anything else makes even less sense than the idiotic move to release the game in the state it was in 7 months ago.
RO 2 released early because the community demanded it. That's the best joke I've read in these forums so far.
I can be wrong that willingness of part of the community was one of reasons why the game was released despite its buggy state. However, it looks like no matter what TWI does it is always wrong. I read about action mode some time ago. It is being made (or was made) during the spare time, it won't affect Classic Mode and is there for those who might actually want the game even less hardcore than relaxed realism was. Many people raged about this with no real reason behind the whole rant.Sensemann said:
I am rather neutral/slightly positive about TWI and the direction of the game with Classic Mode the main reason why I stick around, but can't be afraid not about what this forum turned itself into since RO2's release. Some posts are really repulsive, not because they are blunt and direct. I could work with that. But because they are devoid of civilization. It feels more like "assemble the mob!" which is thirsty for blood, where each member of the mob encourages the rest to be even more violent in his posting.
I saw posts of Cpt-Praxius back when he was still making nice and civil posts I couldn't agree with more. I think I know why he is now making blunt, harsh, often offensive posts. Because some people do behave like bumpkins and will be only touched by the iron hand as all civilized attempts to discuss with them will be all in vain. I met that kind of people before. A few other reasonable guys making decent posts are gone now, also because they has been overwhelmed by limitless number of people who didn't even try to keep conversation as a man should - with some dignity towards the other person.
I still think that people here generally have good of the game in mind, but in heat of the discussion often seem to forget about the man next to them and start treating him as the enemy that needs to be expelled. It's not about what, but how people express their opinion.
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I saw that too. For a long time, Praxius did post stuff I couldn't agree on at all, but accepted that it was his opinion. In fact, most of his opinions were so far off towards my opinion that there wasn't even a base to build a discussion on. However, I respect different tastes. In that regards, I am happy that the up/downvoting system has been sacked. It was just a complete failure (like everywhere else a +1/-1 or the like system is implemented).
Agreed. That's why some people that I basically agree with are on my "ignore list" as much as some of the guys that I think are talking about another game...
Aiming mechanics was never my issue.... the RO Classic aiming isn't much different from what already exists in RO2 (from what I tried in RO Classic) What did bug me in RO Classic is that now that I'm playing at a higher resolution in RO2 than in RO1 or the Mod, objects far away are harder for me to see and with the current lack of zoom in RO Classic (or the greatly reduced precence of), I'm finding myself pixel hunting moreso than I used to... where in the past, due to a lower resolution, I didn't notice it as badly.
Don't know if it was patched since the last time I played the Beta ROC, but I stood in Iron Sights for a long time and noticed nothing in relation to a higher weapon sway.
And as mentioned above, at longer distances, pixel hunting is a real pain in the arse and I actually liked the zoom.... and having the zoom actually delays most people's quick shooting because they have to first zoom in and then re-focus on what has just been zoomed, rather than everything remaining the same at all times. Unless someone was zoomed in the whole time, it doesn't really make a difference in gameplay in that regard.... but even if it did, everybody had equal ability to use the zoom feature, thus nobody was at a disadvantage, except for having tunnel vision compared to someone who wasn't zoomed in.
And I never had a problem with people taking me out quickly as I round a corner or popped my head out.... no more than what I had in the previous RO's. If I felt someone had their sights on me, I keep my head down and I relocate / flank them..... anybody who tries to ping race one another and whack-a-mole-shoot the other guy who's already setup and aiming at you has only themselves to blame for dying.
I never had a problem with the Marksman in the first place.
I liked the system as it was in Relaxed/Realism modes.... even when I have ran long enough to the point of cramping and being winded, I could still move faster than walking speed if my life depended on it (which in RO, it always depends on it)
When you ran out of stamina from running in RO2, you didn't just keep running at the same speed, but you didn't just stop and be reduced to just walking for a period of time.... even if they fixed it in RO Classic and it's a gradual slow down to a walk, I'm still not interested in the slightest.
Well in all honesty and respect, I am truly happy you are happy with the game mode, and I hope you continue to enjoy it when it goes live in the official game..... but I have zero interest in playing it, especially when I already enjoyed the Relaxed Realism and Realism game modes that did everything I wanted and met my expectations of movement and weapon handling (which tied very close to my own real life experience of handling firearms / aiming them, etc.)
To be honest, I have just as much interest in playing RO Classic as I do in playing this Super-Action-Relaxed-Happy-FunTime Game mode.
I enjoy the current Relaxed and Realism Game Modes just as they are.... why would I want to try something else that I already know I don't enjoy?
Now if only they'll listen to the part of the community who's stuck in between the RO Classic & Action players, who've been kind of left in the dust for the last few months.
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I Think i probably played more beta on the original release than even after it was fully released.
Also i live in Aus and the beta server from my memory hardly had anyone in them when there was testing.....and US ones are too high ping.
I know it is because i really liked what they had in RO2...i didnt want RO1, i wanted RO2 to develop as a game in its own right and not be made by commitee of players who love RO1 with better graphics.
The "classic mode" is not the direction alot of TWI staff wanted to take...they developed a very diffrent game, and are against the classic mode, it was even mentioned in one of yoshiros posts. but they bowed to the pressure from RO1 fan boys because they would be the only ones left playing the game now.
That is why i dont need to play they beta, i liked it the way it was but i was waiting for refinment and the game to be completly 100%...instead we have all that time dedicated to refining a new game mode for RO1 fans.
That is why i am pissed.
Firstly, they made all there money intially, bad press went out because it was buggy, they went on holidays rather than fix it quickly and now they have bad PR and no new income and a obligation to fix a game with no new revenue streams.
Then add the time it has taken for this next big patch we where promised months ago...which then turned into some form of popular apeasment to keep RO1 fans happy instead of fising the game as promised.
It is not hard to do the math.
Im on here because i paid $$$ for the game, i am keenly interested in the game, i wanted to see it succed, i have waited as have been requested by TWI that the big fixs are coming and evrything will work.
Instead i have been given multiple new games modes detracting from the core of the original concept i bought into.
Classic was made by commitee, it is non-realism. it is made for those who like to have rifle skirmishs like in RO1.
They should care for me more than Classic mode, because i paid money for RO2....not classic mode which will rob players from RO2.
It is like buying a green car...and the car company taking it off you after 6 months and going.....sorry no one else on the road likes that your car is green....so we are going to paint it yellow.
The game should not be open for discussion on its development between rival groups for TWI to pcik and choose who they should cater for after the game has already been sold to customers.
No it is just a diversion. TWI will still be around, and are probably developing other games as we speak.
But they need to generate income. dedicating themselves to fixing a game that they have sold already and wont get anymore real sales as the reviews and word of mouth have sollied it just means they are in no rush to fix it, and dont want to spend any money on fixing it.
It will proabably be fixed..... but it will takes atleast another 6 months.
Actually liking the game as it was originally made and happy as thing were, just wanting new stuff to make it into the game, isn't fence sitting.... it's a position.
I highlighted this because in pre-classic era mantling was pretty useless for me as aiming was stable in all positions, now mantling plays bigger role and at the same time you aren't killed as soon as you pop up your head, making mantling and cover system much more reliable and helpful than before.Cpt-Praxius said:
I am not sure if I didn't explain it clearly enough or I have problems with understanding what do you mean. You no longer slowly walk, but run at slow speed, just like in RO2. What's is different is stamina level (weve more than RO1 and less than RO2).Cpt-Praxius said:
I remembered how you expressed your opinion on classic (mentioning running which is now changed) and remembered how you liked the game but thought that some things should be tweaked I thought it'd be good to hint that classic has been changed for the best (or at least that's my opinion on changes). If you enjoy other modes more then it's fine. I also hope new content will be released ASAP and have my fingers crossed for it.Cpt-Praxius said:
I am sure they'll. Question is when they'll be ready to release new content. I will take a wild guess here but somewhere after release of classic and - maybe - the Rising Storm?Cpt-Praxius said:
I see... my apologies then. Good to know that at least you tried it out.Don Draper said:
Fine enough.Don Draper said:
Here. This is the ditch dividing people - the Old Guards bought the game hoping for more RO1-like experience, you bought the game for something else. From my point of view it's only right that TWI is trying to bridge the gap and please all fanbases. Question is if it's possible. Current status of the classic shows that it certainly can satisfy even RO:Osters. With classic out of the workshop TWI should have more time for adding more content (or more precisely - making already done models work in game). Of course, many things can happen, so it's up for history to decide if such attempts and experiments will succeed or end in failure. However, I can't blame TWI for trying. Even if they efforts do fail they'll know what to focus themselves on in the future. That's how I see it.Don Draper said:
At least I am glad we had somewhat cultural discussion. Even if we don't agree on multiple points.