Me?? Glad to be part of the group of users who enjoy RO2, TWI's support and looking forward to the added enjoyment soon to be with the massive updates and enhancements.
How/What do you feel about TWI and RO2
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There are good things in HoS adjustable weapon sights, bullet penetration ect. However the overall feeling of myself and my entire 50+ man unit is horrible disappointment. We were hoping for RO2 thats not what we got.
I have had to take the unit back to Darkest Hour at least there, there is something for us. A community and a player base. RO:HoS at the moment doesn't have a pot to piss in.
The optimist in me hopes TWI will fix it and all will be fine and dandy. However, realistically I think anything they do now may be too little too late.
Edit: MG's are excellent
I wish the game would have been what we wanted and I could be here singing TWI praises
I have had to take the unit back to Darkest Hour at least there, there is something for us. A community and a player base. RO:HoS at the moment doesn't have a pot to piss in.
The optimist in me hopes TWI will fix it and all will be fine and dandy. However, realistically I think anything they do now may be too little too late.
Edit: MG's are excellent
I wish the game would have been what we wanted and I could be here singing TWI praises
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I wonder how many of you have actually even played the beta with classic mode. I have had nothing but a great experience with classic mode yet you people still complain. We were all joking about these forums today and how people complain and complain and complain yet they dont even care to help the developers in the first place.
I already gave them my money so if I'm disappointed that's reason enough for me to say something.
As much as I do complain I still have faith in TWI. RO2 may be lacking in a lot of areas right now and I don't really agree with some of the decisions made by the devs but RO2 still has A LOT of potential to be great.
Nevertheless, if we didn't complain they wouldn't fix it and I'll keep complaining (constructively) until my expectations are met.
The moment they put something into the Beta that I'm interested in, I will.
Yeah, wow, the forums today are just full people who complain and complain and complain...... nothing like the last 6+ months of forum members who constantly complained and complained and complained about wanting things rolled back to RO Ostfront.
How many of us actually played the Classic Mode in Beta?
I did and while it's great that you enjoy it and have wonderful experiences, I didn't and not everybody is enjoying it..... nor does everybody think it's a good use of time.
To each their own of course....
But, I have now changed my view from complete and blinded support for TWI and what they have planned for RO2, to seeing things much like LogisticEarth, barakas, Rahabib, Vapid, Dix_Johnson and many others see things.
My previous post in this thread was made when I was standing on the line between support and frustration, and now after hearing about this Action-Crosshair mode that's apparently going to take over Relaxed Realism, which I actually enjoyed as it was, thus forces me into having to hunt later on for Realism TE servers buried under RO Classic, Relaxed Realism, FireFight / Countdown servers..... I've pretty well lost any real support I had for TWI or RO2.
I didn't want to really say it, but since the time they announced they were going to work on RO Classic in the Beta, I had a funny feeling TWI was stalling for something..... now that I see they've dropped in this Action mode and going to spend the next little while playing with that, with no real details on the stuff that should have been worked on / added into the game by now that was advertised...... It almost seems like Tripwire is trying to dig up every possible trinket they can find to toss at the community to further stall for time as they try and figure out what to do about the other vehicles, more maps, more weapons, etc.
What also crossed my mind in the last few days is that I feel like an ***.
I don't feel like an *** for expressing my honest opinion or giving TW a hard time. I've defended and basically kissed TW's arse for the last 6-7 months and understood the challenges they had ahead of them.... all the while getting into heated debates with other members who hold positions I now hold. I had faith that TW would have much of the missing content added into the game within a few months after launch..... even if the patching and bug crushing was a priority, which it was. I have since lost that faith and now look like an idiot for defending TW in these and the Steam forums for so long.
People said we should all wait. TW listens to their community, TW always gets the job done, TW always brings in the things they say will be brought into their games..... hell, I've said all of this countless times myself, and believed it. But everybody has their limits on how long they will wait for anything..... some will wait until the end of days, others will only wait 5 seconds.... and everybody else is in between.
Then when people express their frustration and anger over paying for something that didn't have half the things promised to be in it (ie: the things advertised on their box, their web site, these forums and Steam)..... and when people complain about how the game was hacked up and content taken out of the game between Beta and Official Launch (Due to Stability issues for some)...... others, including myself, told these people they were all whiners and moaners, who were self entitled and demanding too much.
After all, they're just a small Dev Team, cut them some slack.
Others also said that it's a good idea that TW is wasting their time on this Action Mode and further messing around with things that were never promised to be in the game first, because they're a business and it makes good business sense to expand the game to a wider audience.
Well I was wrong about much of the above..... and yes, TWI is a small dev team compared to many others..... and yes.... TWI is a business out to make money as best they can.
But Business is Business, and for the time being, I've taken my business elsewhere and dropped my blind support for TW. Maybe we're all self entitled, whining moaners who demand the impossible simply because we want it..... we want what we paid for.
Whether we're justified in our positions or whether we're just a bunch of impatient cry babies..... If TWI and others who support TWI want to act this way and believe what they want to believe, then so be it..... Business is Business
I paid for a product that I expected would have (or eventually have) the contents advertised that would be included in what I paid for.... I paid for the DDE, not just for early Beta Access, not just for Unlocked Weapons, a couple of shiny medals nobody can see on my character, and not just for some TF2 hats..... I paid the extra money for the DDE because I felt TW deserved the extra money and the extra support.
What did I and others get in return?
Months of patches and bug fixing....... an RO Classic Game mode taking 2-3 months in Beta to delay any word on the original content that should have been in the game by now, 1 new map that still isn't in the official game yet, and now testing for this "Action" game mode to further cloud the situation and further delay any progress on the original missing content.
And yes, we've all heard the old phrase, "RO Classic and Action game modes took no time at all to do and they did it all on their spare time"
I call BS on that, plain and simple. I doubt people at TW punched the clock, headed home to their personal lives and families and then said "Hmmm, I'll take this time to further work on a couple of game modes for the game while not getting paid for it.... cuz my family and friends don't need to spend time with me anytime soon."
And even if it did only take someone a couple of hours (which I doubt) to develop these game modes, how long has RO Classic been in the Beta now? How many times have they revised RO Classic in the last couple of months in Beta?? It might have taken a couple of hours to create, but it's taking them months to fix it up right...... are we now going to see another couple of months spent with them tweaking this Action mode?
I might be frustrated, but all of these are very legit questions and concerns.
Oh, and others have said "It's just a video game, get over it."
Yeah.... it's a video game, a video game I paid money for and expected a finished product, or at least an incomplete product that would be finished up within 6 months of release & have the things originally promised would be in it...... or at the bare minimum of all things, start to see some of that promised stuff make its way into the game in 6 months or so..... but we've hit that deadline and going past it with still no word on anything but the new game modes.
It's no different than me buying a movie and is missing half the cover & the extra features are no where to be found on the disc. Business is Business, and I paid for a product I expected to be complete or at least completed soon.
But it is futile to even try to demand a refund in the gaming industry, so I'm not going to try and be so daft...... But I will voice my disappointment and reasons why I'm disappointed, because how else is a Business supposed to improve if they get no feedback from their customers other than positive feedback from a bunch of "Yes Men"??
I was hoping RO2 would have been everything everyone was expecting..... a bigger, badder and ballsier RO that put the previous RO's to shame. RO2 right now has ended up being a mere shadow of the previous RO's.
And not because of gameplay mechanics or the additional physics & movement given to the play..... and not because of the additional details given to the weapons. All of the additional features new to RO in RO2 are nice and a great improvement..... imo, nothing was wrong with the gameplay in RO2, it didn't need to roll back to RO Ostfront crap gameplay and it didn't need to go any further towards the BF/CoD gameplay...... it's a mere shadow of the previous RO's because RO2 doesn't even have half of the core elements needed to make it RO, such as transports, more than two tanks, more combined arms maps, a lot more maps than what we have now, etc....
Hell the old mod has more content & variety than RO2
And while all that is needed for RO2 to be a great sequel to the previous RO's is some of the core content (as well as what was advertised as being included in the game) that existed in the previous RO's...... it doesn't look like any of us are going to see any of that stuff anytime soon while they continue to fiddle around with these "Experiments" and game modes.
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Cpt Praxius, Absoulutly agree. I debated with you over how TWI should fix the game asap...and im glad you have come around now.
They have been promising this mega patch which would have vehicles, maps, fixs tanks etc..
but it has never happened.
It has been 6 months!! + and the game isnt even fixed fully.
I suggest we ring slater and gordon and start a class action to get our money back.
For the last 3 months i have been checking in for this mega patch...and nothing.
And where is the Rising add on ...the pacific theatre?
They have been promising this mega patch which would have vehicles, maps, fixs tanks etc..
but it has never happened.
It has been 6 months!! + and the game isnt even fixed fully.
I suggest we ring slater and gordon and start a class action to get our money back.
For the last 3 months i have been checking in for this mega patch...and nothing.
And where is the Rising add on ...the pacific theatre?
I quite like the direction TWI is going in, picking up players in relaxed mode seems like an okayish idea, but I certainly won't play it. Classic, and all the changes that came with it, in the beta is SUPERB! So good in fact that it's all I play, unfortunately the server is half a world away and often empty at my playing time.
Things I want:
1) The patch to be released so I can play on lower ping and/or
2) Memory leak fixed so we can enable antilag on all the servers (seriously, this alone made the game a thousand times better).
Things I want:
1) The patch to be released so I can play on lower ping and/or
2) Memory leak fixed so we can enable antilag on all the servers (seriously, this alone made the game a thousand times better).
Completely wrong on both counts..
TWI are extremely capable with UE3..
They are the first dev team to get the engine working properly with 64 players online.
They are the first dev team to release an UE3 SDK for their game.
Both would not be possible without extensive knowledge of the engine.
However it is well documented that the engine itself is very difficult to use and optimise.
As for UE2 being similar to UE3..
Well they are about as similar as Apples are to Oranges.
Both are round, both are fruit and both have vitamin C but that's about it.
Ask any community mapper how "similar" making an RO2 UE3 map is to making a UE2 RO1 map..
I think they'll tell you that UE2 is nothing like as complicated as UE3
Making an RO2 UE3 map is much tougher because the UE3 SDK has a bigger depth of features, requiring much much longer to get the required results..
UE3 is way more complicated because of its scope and features that is why it is the most popular game engine of recent times.
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A little better now that I had my coffee...
Yes, I currently do, but that support is in question for any future game. I really question the direction they want their games to go to the point where I won't be preordering anymore games until I hear feedback, and that includes a Killing Floor sequel. If they do one, who knows what direction they will take it.
Quality-wise? Yes, certainly now anyways. I know they are a smaller team and are trying to do more with the game. Bugs are expected. I should also say that other than some game browser issues, I didn't suffer many of the problems other players had.
Gameplay-wise? No. I feel that TWI was, and still is, trying to aim for a more casual gaming audience such as those players that normally play COD/BF. They may have had every intention of trying to create several modes for all types of players for the games release, but we can see which mode was really the focus as the release date neared. I will say that I was expecting a much improved version of ROOST gameplay-wise and the game ended up feeling more like those others that I mentioned (and hate). Still I have to thank them for the classic mode which is currently being tested in the beta. It definitely feels how I wanted the game to feel when it was released.
No. I realize that as games get more complicated it is going to take longer to release things, but I did expect to see at least a couple more official maps out already.
Yes, despite the problems with the game upon release and many not satisfied with the gameplay, I would have thought there would still be more players out there. As many people have brought up, ROOST was doing this good or better years after its release. I play ROHOS, but nowhere near as much as I did with ROOST.
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My personal opinion is that if TWI had made a solid performing game that had gameplay more along the lines of what the Classic mode is now, they would have attracted AND kept many more players. I believe many people bought the game expecting just that since the prior game, ROOST was a known quantity. Sure some players abandoned the game because of bugs and performance issues, but probably even more left because they felt betrayed that the gameplay felt, dumbed down for lack of better phrasing. Those players didn't leave because of bugs because they were aware of how TWI stands behind its games with fixing things etc.
And lastly, I just have this feeling that TWI thinks they need to go after this COD/BF console crowd. Sure we all know there are more of those type of players out there than those who want something more hardcore, but that hardcore audience is still very significant. As some have brought up ARMA, that is a more hardcore game that is just clumsy and awkward and apparently it still sells. Point is, that target audience is still there and I believe TWI could do very well with it. I know its a business decision for TWI, but as time goes on it seems more apparent that that is the direction they want to go (COD/BF console crowd). sigh
Mmmm you check in looking for something you want and if its not there you insult the providers..
I bet your fun to shop with..
Cpt-Praxius - I think you should try out Classic again when it'll hit the release. For a few reasons:
- Aiming mechanics is much better, more realistic while not making it impossible to kill people at reasonable distance.
- Mantling is now VERY useful, since sway in standing position is sufficient enough to make you crouch, go prone or mantle your weapon.
- Without shift-zoom (zoom for rifles is unchanged) you aren't killed as soon as you pop up your head. Of course, it's still entirely possible that you'll get killed, just not as fast as aiming requires a bit of focus.
- Sniper really has an edge with his scope and can now decide to take faster shooting weapon with less zoom or bolt-action rifle with better zoom and is a class to be feared.
- Running is now great when they changed it to RO2 style while maintaining effects of RO1. You still need to chose your path of attack carefully, but running and stamina isn't as ridiculous as it was before.
There are still some problems, but overall Classic is everything I wanted. It's not RO1, it's improved version of RO2 (or RO1) for me. It's the balance between RO1 and RO2 I wished for, because some things (like to steady aim while standing still, or small effect of stamina on sway) were not good enough in RO2 and RO1 was another extreme I wanted to avoid.
When Classic will come out you should be able to find server for your ping, give it a chance. We are still giving TWI backup to improve it even further and eliminate bugs.
While I was a bit underwhelmed when I saw no response from the TWI on the community's suggestions (and I don't mean the Old Guard only) now I can safely say my hope is growing back. Because I was in Classic Beta and saw they really listen.
- Aiming mechanics is much better, more realistic while not making it impossible to kill people at reasonable distance.
- Mantling is now VERY useful, since sway in standing position is sufficient enough to make you crouch, go prone or mantle your weapon.
- Without shift-zoom (zoom for rifles is unchanged) you aren't killed as soon as you pop up your head. Of course, it's still entirely possible that you'll get killed, just not as fast as aiming requires a bit of focus.
- Sniper really has an edge with his scope and can now decide to take faster shooting weapon with less zoom or bolt-action rifle with better zoom and is a class to be feared.
- Running is now great when they changed it to RO2 style while maintaining effects of RO1. You still need to chose your path of attack carefully, but running and stamina isn't as ridiculous as it was before.
There are still some problems, but overall Classic is everything I wanted. It's not RO1, it's improved version of RO2 (or RO1) for me. It's the balance between RO1 and RO2 I wished for, because some things (like to steady aim while standing still, or small effect of stamina on sway) were not good enough in RO2 and RO1 was another extreme I wanted to avoid.
When Classic will come out you should be able to find server for your ping, give it a chance. We are still giving TWI backup to improve it even further and eliminate bugs.
While I was a bit underwhelmed when I saw no response from the TWI on the community's suggestions (and I don't mean the Old Guard only) now I can safely say my hope is growing back. Because I was in Classic Beta and saw they really listen.
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I was crushed when RO2 came out.
I'll never buy another TWI title without giving it a HARD, LONG look.
I'll never buy another TWI title without giving it a HARD, LONG look.
Mmmm you check in looking for something you want and if its not there you insult the providers..
I bet your fun to shop with..
A better analogy is, you buy a product after the seller promises you it will be XY and Z.
Except when you get the product home, you realize that you have W and Y, and Z is missing entirely.
You complain about not getting what you pay for and then are attacked by devs and some in the community for being negative.
I don't agree with insulting the devs over it but I can fully understand the frustration. I have genuinely never been more disappointed and mislead by a game release than with RO2. The vast majority of people who bought RO2 would appear to agree with me, given less than 10% still regularly play.
But you know that old business maxim, The customer is always wrong.
here, i fixed it for you.
I have been playing ROOST and its mods for a long time.
I bought RHOS at full price. Ive enjoyed the game and i am expecting even more from it....Honestly, i dont miss the vast majority of whiners when im playing the game...
I have been playing ROOST and its mods for a long time.
I bought RHOS at full price. Ive enjoyed the game and i am expecting even more from it....Honestly, i dont miss the vast majority of whiners when im playing the game...
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That's because you're playing with bots, TrOOper.
They don't have taste.
They don't have taste.
I feel RO2 was an experiment in which Tripwire tried to find new audiences to expand their fanbase. I just hope they can learn from their mistakes and realize casuals will never get into Red Orchestra. Hopefully after the next few patches the game will be better and all the issues will be fixed.