How to cook the perfekt steak

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REZ

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Hey, he asked, I answered.. I've been a member of these boards long enough to know where those kinds of questions lead. If you think I'm being 'elitist' thats cool with me, but I'm hardly that guy. No need to project - it is text after all. 'Entirely' and 'terrified' are two words you should rethink from your post.
 

SnotRocket

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Hey, he asked, I answered.. I've been a member of these boards long enough to know where those kinds of questions lead. If you think I'm being 'elitist' thats cool with me, but I'm hardly that guy. No need to project - it is text after all. 'Entirely' and 'terrified' are two words you should rethink from your post.

I'm gonna let this thread go after this to avoid a flame war, but...

You do have a very I'm superior to you tone in your posts on this topic. All I was saying is, you can have your own opinion and so can the others. Just because you don't want to eat what science has improved upon doesn't mean that someone who does is wrong.

I had to work at Whole Foods Market, and most people who are worried about eating local and organic foods aren't smart, educated, or really know what they're doing. They're just trying to fit into the new "cool" hippy revival, going on about global warming and complaining about genetically altered materials. These are the same idiots who worry about how a cow is treated, but buy their crabs alive so they can boil them to death later. It's an animal meant to eat ffs, just kill it and stop complaining.

And also, there's no need to pull some kind of "I've been here longer" rank on me, I've been on these boards since beta 1, and I've seen the usual trolls come and go. I'm just saying if there's anything these boards need, it's acceptance of another's lifestyle, religion, whatever. People need to just chill and take others as equals.
 

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[...]I had to work at Whole Foods Market, and most people who are worried about eating local and organic foods aren't smart, educated, or really know what they're doing. They're just trying to fit into the new "cool" hippy revival, going on about global warming and complaining about genetically altered materials. These are the same idiots who worry about how a cow is treated, but buy their crabs alive so they can boil them to death later. It's an animal meant to eat ffs, just kill it and stop complaining.
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Now it's you that sounds elitist.
Maybe they know more than you, could that also be possible?


What do you gain in your opinion by producing genetical modified products or cloning?

Here's my opinion about the question I asked above:
As far as I know genetical modified products mean a company lock-in for the farmers and they still have to use pesticides - some studies suggest that they have to use more than before. But this time they can only use the "special" pesticide, so they more and more depend on a certain company.
Also the taste of some products - at least according to what I read - degraded, they are larger now but don't taste the same. Generally the genetical code is hardly understanded, it's just a trial and error --> "oh if I change that things get larger", not knowing what changes as well. (Thalidomide is an example of the drugs branche to what can happen if you only know half the story of something important)

There are people that argue that genetical modifed products could avoid famines, yet famines are not caused because there is too little food on our earth, but rather because the existing food is at the wrong places. It's about the distribution not the production. A lot of food gets destroyed to avoid lower prices. Thousands of tons corn are burned each year.
Bringing poor farmers genetical modified seed only means that they depend on a company. They can not do one of the most natural things --> takeing away corn from the crop to use it as seed later on, as the crop would constantly decrease (the same goes for non-genetical modifed seed by companies as well, as they breed it that way to gain more money). That way they have to pay money for one thing they did not before.

I also don't see a reason to clone animals, if one wants to avoid eating poor animals one should reconsider their meat-menu. As some pointed out above it would mean a narrower gen-pool.
It would mean a stop of the evolution of certain animals while the world - including illnesses - still evolves around them. The "bad" guys would be cutting-edge while the "good" wouldn't.
In a business situation that would mean to say "We stick to that forever and kill further developement, even if it is for free", while the competition does not kill that option, such a strategy doesn't sound that satisfieing to me.
 
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KrazyKraut

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I suppose this is some animal rights page or something. I let them have their opinion... but their means are just stupid: "Let's show some disgusting images to people to prove a point":rolleyes:

You know what else looks disgusting? An afterbirth. I guess we shouldn't have children from now on eh?
 

Slashbot_427

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I'm not hysterical. I'm just trying to drive the point in that all these supposed agencys in charge of determining what's safe for people to eat are basically FUBAR in my opinion and operate as "yes man" extensions to powerful food manufacturing or producing companies in my opinion. It's more like "prove that this causes something bad" rather than "prove that it definitely doesn't" mentality. Burden is on the consumer not the companies in my opinion. And considering most people TRUST these agencies to "look out for them" seeing as they have their own lives to worry about you can see where the problem might be. How many of these stupid drugs are recalled once they start racking up the body count? Quality approval process right there. $$$$ talks we all know what walks.

not sure whether anyone else has noticed the huge size difference between "organic" and normal chicken breasts in the superprofitmarkets. Its called steroids. These things concetrate up the food chain. As well as all the antibiotics, pesticides, hebicides, growth regulators etc. AFAIK cows used to get fed mushed up cow bits from the abatoirs as "Protein suplements", now they don't as deseases like Mad Cows disease can be transmitted this way.

BTW I really like a good steak.


And do I even need to mention the bland tomatoes (insert other vegetable type) you get now, who has actually grown there own? I have regularly. Even the most ordinary F1 hybrid variety grown in good soil without pesticides etc, and picked when ripe is waaayyy more tasty than the most expensive organic version in the super markets.

Supermarkets are the end point of a HUGE multinational profit chain. All supermarkets (and other food "companies-Kraft, Westons, woolworths, Walt Mart, lhe list goes on) have as their first (Legal)priority shareholder profit and value, instead of providing the best possible food qualtiy. Thats why there are three or four isles dedicated to softdrinks, chips(crisps) and sweets and half that space to fresh fruit and vegetables in your local shop. Remember its Illegal to operate a company in insolvency. You can go to jail. You have less chance of going to jail selling poor food.


/ RANT
 
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REZ

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Listen Snotty, I've never once implied people arent entitled to thier own opinion, but if someone is gonna try and tell me they're cloning meat so we can have our favorite tasting steak every night - I'm sorry but they're missing the bigger picture as to why 'for profit' companies make moves like this.

On top of that you're applying things to me that just dont stick especially since you dont know me. I mean with that whole 'People who eat local and organic foods arent smart, educated..' crap, you really sound like you are fishing in your attempts at character assasination. Those sort of statements only work against you. Hippy revival.. puhleeze spare me the tired cliches. I wont be demonized for knowing that if the FDA says cloned food is safe and there doesnt yet exist a law in the States that requires a supermarket to properly label the cloned meat - that they wont try to sell it to you without saying its cloned... of course they will!

I love beef, pork, chicken, fish.. all of it, and I know exactly how it goes from farm to my plate. I've done my research because the food I eat and consequently my health is very important to me. I have no problems with animals dieing in order for me to eat, but I do insist on the product being as free of man made materials and/or genetic interference as possible. I dont feel elitist because of that. If other people wanna eat McDonalds 'Dolly the Sheep' burgers thats fine with me, but it isnt right for companies to be able to introduce this into the market without giving people the choice with proper labeling.

Oh, and me saying that I've been here long enough to recognize a 'setup' question aimed at my personal decisions is in no way saying 'I've been here longer than you'... I mean where do you make that connection? ..and what the hell point would it serve for me to say that? You're trippin' dude.

Mat and Slashbot make good points about the 'profit' side of this subject, as well as some of the dangers of screwing too deeply with the way nature works. I've been working in the financial industry for almost 10 years now and I'm pretty sure I have a solid understanding of the motivations driving companies to explore this route. Alot of people are completely against the idea of cloning animals, I'm simply making a 'pro' statement for labels so the average consumer can make the choice whether to buy it or not.
 

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I had lunch the other day at a restaurant, and asked for my Swiss cheese and mushroom burger to be cooked medium rare(same way Ive been getting them for about 25 years, same as steaks). Waitress say, "Im sorry, by law, we cant do less than medium." WTF?! WTMFF?! I immediatley went into Eyeroll/sigh mode, said "Ok, make it as far on the low side of medium as you can." Seriously, who the hell decided we needed a friggin LAW that says you have to have your red meats at least medium in a restaurant? F that, Im buying my steaks and ground beef at the store, so I can have it the way I want. What Id really like to know is, when do we get to the point where we fine the people who run with scissors? Are people actually so stupid these days that we need laws to "protect them from themselves"? Hell, I call that thinning the herd.
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[5.SS]Strother

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Yeah, I had a similar conversation with my mom and grandma the other day. There are laws put on resteraunts to protect ourselves...it has nothing to do with cock roaches or anything, but like the way foods are cooked, for instance chicago isn't allowed to cook foods a certain way that they've been cooking for 130 some years...It kills business, regional foods arn't regional if they dont have their own flavor. Image laws preventing cajun food from being too spicey to prevent heartburn! That is exactly the path we are headed. If I want my steak a certain way I want it that way, if I want to kill myself I'll kill myself, we are starting to lose our freedoms.

You know how like a new video game starts out really awesome, then over time as new patches comes out the game is watered down and is nothing what it was....thats what is happening in the USA, thats history for you.
 

Donut

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Just eat it raw but wean yourself first.:p
Mom said that would make me blind... :D Also, thats NOT the kind of sauce Id want on a steak. Im going to stick with chicken or maybe fish dishes from now on. Look out, oysters and sushi! Youre next!
 

Slashbot_427

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...Im going to stick with chicken or maybe fish dishes from now on. Look out, oysters and sushi! Youre next!


Mercury poisoning anyone :D.

You want to watch out what waterway you get your fish from. Recently In Sydney (Australia) some tests were done on fish caught in Home Bush Bay ( an area about 20km upstream from the ocean). Organic dioxins were found to be much higher than internationally accepted levels( I cant rememgber the figure). A family of four who had been catching seafood in the area for around 30 years was tested and ( I remenber this bit ) the six year old kid had levels 14 times the UNHO accepted levels. The site that became the Sydney Olymic park was a major chemical plant up untill the early 1970s when it was closed.


Love sushi/sashimi tho... raw tunA FTW...:D
 

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Dinner yesterday.. Prime Rib (the pic is a little blurry but you get the idea) non cloned of course ;)
 

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I know where meat is coming from.

I have even helped butcher 2 sheep and a cow. However you should always treat animals you are going to butcher for meat with respect.