How about those Bolt Action Rifles?

[norwegianwiking]

One thing i miss in game, is that as with most military rifles of the period, the magazine follower plate (for the gun wise, is that correct name for it in English?) moves up so that it stops the bolt from moving forward after the last shot is ejected. Ones it's empty, pushing down with your hand on the magazine follower plate or loading it again is the only way to get the bolt forward.

Implementing that would be kinda sweet.


And the K98\Mauser mechanism is considered THE best, and most weapons in the world still use the same, or similar, mechanism that the mauser has had for over a 100 years. (in Norway, mauser actions is the most common rifle among hunters and target shooters.

 

[[CiA]Stiletto]

That might actually be a Yugoslavian re-arsenaled Kar98. Note the bolt handle, that's the German turn angle; Yugoslavian goes down at a shallower angle. German bolt handles are "fully turned" and don't require further modification for bridge-mounted (normal eye relief, centered) scopes, Yugoslavian bolt handles are "partly" turned and do require modification.

Anyhoo, the follower on the Kar98 doubles as a hold-open. No Mosin followers (AFAIK) are shaped to be hold-opens.

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Another note, commercial ammo is WAYYY under max pressure spec. If you're worried about overpressure, you probably shouldn't shoot Turk milsurp (hrr hrr hrr *cackle*)...but pretty much any other load will be fine. Generally, inspecting casings (look for bulging, cracks, flat primers, etc.) is a better way to check for overpressure than just felt recoil.

 

[shadowmoses]

One thing i miss in game, is that as with most military rifles of the period, the magazine follower plate (for the gun wise, is that correct name for it in English?) moves up so that it stops the bolt from moving forward after the last shot is ejected. Ones it's empty, pushing down with your hand on the magazine follower plate or loading it again is the only way to get the bolt forward.

Implementing that would be kinda sweet.


And the K98\Mauser mechanism is considered THE best, and most weapons in the world still use the same, or similar, mechanism that the mauser has had for over a 100 years. (in Norway, mauser actions is the most common rifle among hunters and target shooters.

Yup indeed that is what its called and what its supposed to do...i agree that it should do its job in the game...but its still kinda a picky thing...hehe
Oh...and just a bit of info on that.
Alot of the Mausers that were captured by another country had their floor plate actually filed down so that the bolt could be closed faster and with out trouble when unloaded... For a collector, things like this can tell a bit about the rifles paste...but more importantly lowers its value...

That might actually be a Yugoslavian re-arsenaled Kar98. Note the bolt handle, that's the German turn angle; Yugoslavian goes down at a shallower angle. German bolt handles are "fully turned" and don't require further modification for bridge-mounted (normal eye relief, centered) scopes, Yugoslavian bolt handles are "partly" turned and do require modification.

Anyhoo, the follower on the Kar98 doubles as a hold-open. No Mosin followers (AFAIK) are shaped to be hold-opens.

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Another note, commercial ammo is WAYYY under max pressure spec. If you're worried about overpressure, you probably shouldn't shoot Turk milsurp (hrr hrr hrr *cackle*)...but pretty much any other load will be fine. Generally, inspecting casings (look for bulging, cracks, flat primers, etc.) is a better way to check for overpressure than just felt recoil.

Yeah thats what i thought too...hard to ID the thing with only 2 pics...one not the clearest thing either. hehe but yeah.
I remember my first Mauser. it was a Yugo m48 and almost nothing matched on it...lol
I still have it and wouldnt trade or sell it for any price...its my favorite shooter out of my collection. OMG I remeber when i drilled and tapped it...hahahaha more and more sweat with every turn of the damn bit ...i was scared to ruin it. never tapped anything befor that. in the end i did a pretty damn good job and have since then brought back home a few Elk with 'er. =]
Mausers are damn fine weapons.
**and about the surp Ammo**
I myself wouldnt even think about puting surplus ammo in my guns...ive heard some scary stories...some leading to injury but most have just ephed up the fire arm. I have alot of surplus ammo but i only use it for display purpose. And if your just wanting to go out target shooting for fun...you can always go out and buy the Rem 7.92 ammo. im not sure how much it is where you live...but here its about $15...(that is if your not reloading it)
peace
-uBi

 

[akd]

Stg44 was actually using new 7.92x33mm (7.92mm Kurz) which was rifle caliber.


Lol, not quite.

Except 7.92x57 mm Mauser was introduced in 1893, originally used by Spanish military but quickly adopted by other countries' armies. Kar (Mauser Gew. 98 - original model 1898 Mauser rifle) was introduced in 1898 using 7.92x57 Mauser, good few decades earlier than MG34 was even thought of.

Sorry, Spanish Mausers used a 7mm cartridge up until WWII. Nice try, though.

Yup indeed that is what its called and what its supposed to do...i agree that it should do its job in the game...but its still kinda a picky thing...hehe
Oh...and just a bit of info on that.
Alot of the Mausers that were captured by another country had their floor plate actually filed down so that the bolt could be closed faster and with out trouble when unloaded... For a collector, things like this can tell a bit about the rifles paste...but more importantly lowers its value...

Yeah thats what i thought too...hard to ID the thing with only 2 pics...one not the clearest thing either. hehe but yeah.
I remember my first Mauser. it was a Yugo m48 and almost nothing matched on it...lol
I still have it and wouldnt trade or sell it for any price...its my favorite shooter out of my collection. OMG I remeber when i drilled and tapped it...hahahaha more and more sweat with every turn of the damn bit ...i was scared to ruin it. never tapped anything befor that. in the end i did a pretty damn good job and have since then brought back home a few Elk with 'er. =]
Mausers are damn fine weapons.
**and about the surp Ammo**
I myself wouldnt even think about puting surplus ammo in my guns...ive heard some scary stories...some leading to injury but most have just ephed up the fire arm. I have alot of surplus ammo but i only use it for display purpose. And if your just wanting to go out target shooting for fun...you can always go out and buy the Rem 7.92 ammo. im not sure how much it is where you live...but here its about $15...(that is if your not reloading it)
peace
-uBi

Pretty sure that's a M48, and I pray it wasn't one of those Mitchell's Mausers "WWII-era" rip-offs. Anyways, there is tons of good quality 8mm surplus from the '60s and '70s out there and it is cheap. All of it is corrosive, however, so you need to clean appropiately.

 

[Musketeer]

"Bottom line, offer any infantry soldier in the field other than a sniper an option for a bolt action rifle or a semi auto rifle, they will take the semi auto rifle. So my second point was to really find out why indeed did the Germans used the bolt action for so long. I bet it was a beuaracratic decision. Or cost or complicated manufacturing? Then again, Germans also continued to use horse drawn artillery.

There is one reason the average infantry soldier would prefer the bolt action to a semi auto. If the Semi Auto is not reliable. It is only in the last 15 - 20 years that American police began widespread use of auto loading pistols for the very reason I gave above.

I want a weapon that will go bang every time it has ammo and I pull the trigger. Semi Auto rifles for field use were in their earliest stages and finding a design that would work reliably under battlefield conditions was not easy. It is actually amazing that the USA was able to develop and widely distribute the M1 when you look at the pitiful state of its other military preparations prior to WWII.

The other reasons you give, cost, complexity, politcs, etc, certainly all played a role as well.

 

[shadowmoses]

Sorry, Spanish Mausers used a 7mm cartridge up until WWII. Nice try, though.



Pretty sure that's a M48, and I pray it wasn't one of those Mitchell's Mausers "WWII-era" rip-offs. Anyways, there is tons of good quality 8mm surplus from the '60s and '70s out there and it is cheap. All of it is corrosive, however, so you need to clean appropiately.

Yeah yeah.
I try to keep clear of alot of corrosive powder.
Im pretty anal with my rifles...hehe
Spent alot of time and money on em. im not a perfectionist with anything else but my fire arms. haha

 

[Los]

Nowadays the only advantage bolt action rifles have, is that you can manually eject the shell so that you dont give away you're position when it flies out of the gun.

Umm not quite....

 

[Silky_Slim]

Umm not quite....

Very true, Snipers pefer not having a spining shining brass casing fly 15 feet into the air. I have a friend who was a sniper in veitnam, he said that they would get m-16s with starlight scopes on em and pick off NVA troops at night, but he perferd the bolt action rifle that they used, (forgot what it was called) mostly cause his buddies were diein because of jams and that the 223 in a jungle/forrested battlefeild didn't have the power and broke apart after hitting a few leaves/ twigs, which is true with most bullets but everyone knows that the .223 is a POS round, for what a sniper needs anyway. I would rather have a Semi auto .308 (g3,m14) than the 5.56x45.

 

[Gunrun247]

Never mind, this was way offtopic, so I made a thread voiceing my opinion in podium.

 

[Bikewer]

I was watching one of those Military channel shows on snipers, and one of the guys they were filming would open the bolt with his index finger extended to "catch" the fired case so that it wouldn't go flying.

 

[donk]

I am amazed that the Germans used those bolt action rifles as long as they did as opposed to the semi auto rifles. You better damn well be with your team and fighting as a team to get any fire power layed down. And better be with them when you move into close quarter fighting like in the apartment. If you move in alone you are dead soon with the slow reload and only two grenades and a bayonet. I used bolt action one time outside and had six russians moving in my direction and I was not with my team, it sure as hell made me withdraw and go link up with my team because I knew I would be dead soon - at most I might get two of the Russians before one got me Very realistic game.

Yeah, you need to learn the game better (which you will if you play long enough). I don't like sticking with my team when I have the k98, I like being on my own, get more kills going alone. Mainly becuase the enemy don't know where you are until later. But ne ways, I could see why the Germans used the k98 so long. I own one my self and can say I adore it. It is so accuarte and has incredibly range on it. I'm sure they based their armies on the way we do today. Marksmenship comes first and the k98 prooves that fact. I would prefer a bolt today over modern rifles, because I like the fact that it makes you have to aim perfect to get the kill shot.

 

[shadowmoses]

I was watching one of those Military channel shows on snipers, and one of the guys they were filming would open the bolt with his index finger extended to "catch" the fired case so that it wouldn't go flying.

If you open the bolt slowly it wont fly out...itll just kinda fall or jump out.

 

[norwegianwiking]

If you open the bolt slowly it wont fly out...itll just kinda fall or jump out.

Not allways, some actions need a bit of force for the brass to clear proper.