Hope they will allow us to hip fire MG42

[Zetsumei]

I don't see the issue with hip firing the MG42 as you already can hip fire the MG34 and the two weapons are not that different. From what I recall soldiers using the MG42 were required to learn how to hip it in their training. So as long as you still have the no jogging and only walking penalty, I would expect the effect to be the same as currently hipping a MG34.

However personally I do not really care much for it either way.

 

[Bobdog]

Yeah, is anyone complaining about how unbalanced hipping with the 34 is right now? The 42 is gonna be the same, only even harder to control.

 

[Flogger23m]

Yeah, is anyone complaining about how unbalanced hipping with the 34 is right now? The 42 is gonna be the same, only even harder to control.

Doesn't it weigh more?

Neither should jump 3 feet in the air after 3 shots though.

But like I said, some work would have to be done to make it realistic and balanced.

 

[Reise]

Standing recoil with the 42 should be similar to that video. The difference and difficulty being that instead of just pulling away, it should do so greatly without constant user compensation.

I'm talking dragging your mouse across the desk to make bursts of more than 4 rounds. It should be controllable but not without serious compensation.

 

[Capt.Cool]

Doesn't it weigh more?

yea, the Mg42 is a bit heavier, but the ROF is also a lot higher, so thats compensate it...

 

[Mr Milkman]

lol imagine robbing a bank with a crew equipped with MG 42's... haha set one up facing outside incase the cops turn up... oohh, am I allowed to joke about this kinda thing? haha

 

[Zetsumei]

Pretty interesting towards the end.

YouTube - Russian Sg-43 vs. German Mg-42

 

[Napoleon Blownapart]

aaww zets beat me too it... i was gunna post that too

 

[Mr Milkman]

Pretty interesting towards the end.

YouTube - Russian Sg-43 vs. German Mg-42

awesome video, for informative. Especially the end bit about the myth of it being difficult to use in assault mode from the hip and shoulder.

How about within the MG class if u get to choose your mode of fire? Kinda like how u can choose MG34 or MG42, but you also get an option within the class for assualt mode or support? so in assault mode u have a barrel mag and more limited ammo, less time and more accurate hip firing, while support mode u r slower (because of more ammo weight) and harder to fire from hip and shoulder (again weight issue and ammo belt). I think that could work pretty well and be more realistic.

 

[Reise]

Don't forget we have a stamina gauge in RO too.

We could have more realistic weapon firing at the cost of stamina loss. The guy did say the MG42 weighed 25lbs. More than twice the weight of a rifle, and I'm guessing that's without a belt hanging off of it.

Maybe recoil could be more realistic, but make it cost stamina to fire while standing? That way people won't be able to zoom around with it like Rambo at least.

 

[Demjansk]

I think its already unrealistic enough with out having a mg squad let alone having people run around with hipped mgs.

The German army didn't separate out infantry units into specialized MG units. You'd have the standard squad, with one MG. Their tactical doctrine centered around the MG, and the rest of the squad was basically there to support it.

Personally, I'd like to see the very real technique of using your buddy as a bipod - with the barrel of the MG over his shoulder, and him holding onto the bipod.

 

[Oldih]

The German army didn't separate out infantry units into specialized MG units.

Even more hilarious is that after the early stages of war, german training manuals ceased to make effective distinguishion between a rifle squad and 'dedicated' MMG\HMG team.

 

[BlackLabel]

I found hiping with the mg34 to be quite satisfying. nothing better than turning a corner on leningrads sewer system and hip 5 unexpecting russians.

 

[Susi]

There were allready speaking about, MG squad and that its unrealistic that.
There is lonely MGers running around.

So The optimum operating crew of an MG 42 for sustained fire operation was six men: the gun commander, the No.1 who fired the gun, the No.2 who carried the tripod, and Nos.3, 4, and 5 who carried ammunition, spare barrels, entrenching tools, and other items.

But they use this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MG42_Feldlafette.jpg
with the open belt

But if the mg is used with bipod not with tripod and with that closed magazine not open belt, its no more a mg squad weapon, its a weapon which is used as a part of infatry squad.

But we allready had MG42 even without a tripod to that first role even that it doesnt got also a squad around it and then we also got mg34 for that support gunner role who is able...

...What a heck im writing there

The production of it have started 1942 there cant be many of them in stalingrad if even few. So i believe it wont be ingame, sorry guys.

 

[Capt.Cool]

...using your buddy as a bipod - with the barrel of the MG over his shoulder, and him holding onto the bipod.

nice idea, but you have to find an idiot first who serves as your bipod. could be hard to find such a player...

 

[RedGuardist]

The production of it have started 1942 there cant be many of them in stalingrad if even few. So i believe it wont be ingame, sorry guys.

It should be in game, since there are documents proving it did see fair amount of combat in Stalingrad.

 

[undead10000]

MG42 hip-rieing should have 3 or 4 times more recoil that it have not, because they have same accuracy then deployed MG42.

That thing sucks and make it more unfair to Russians MG that have 2X more recoil and more uncontrolled with hip-fireing then MG42.

 

[DesiQ]

MG42 hip-rieing should have 3 or 4 times more recoil that it have not, because they have same accuracy then deployed MG42.

That thing sucks and make it more unfair to Russians MG that have 2X more recoil and more uncontrolled with hip-fireing then MG42.

1. This thread is almost two years old.
2. There is no MG-42.
3. Russians always get shafted.

 

[Zetsumei]

my main issue is that the MG34 got full mobility from the hip. you fire that thing from the hip while jogging around.

It would be better to only be able to fire when walking like in roost. The movement speed penalty would be enough to lessen its effectiveness in close quarters. As then you use it more as a defensive move, but not for quickly clearing rooms.

Similarly I think that when deployed the recoil is somewhat too high, sure it kicks like a mule but at least the recoil goes straight to the back there is no moment arm in the work here.

 

[Colt .45 killer]

The way to fix the stupid MG hipping is to let players shoulder the MG.